F1 2013 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

Mr Jack said:
Seriously? He glassed someone and you're bringing "two sides to every argument" into this? :rolleyes:
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Im not saying the boss did - but if there was something racial said (for instance) then he is partially to blame for inciting it in the first place

Also reading my whole post and not just editing for your liking would tell you what I really thought
 
FrankJH said:
These things are rarely 1 sided however they appear in the press.

(Im not saying he deserved to be glassed in the slightest, but being a team boss he should also be beyond reproach - which I suspect isnt the case)
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Eric Lux was not convicted of assault. Sutil was. No matter how much of the story we do or don't have, Sutil is the one with the conviction.
 
TBH, I don't really care about Sutil. I never really took any notice of him.

However, I feel Bianchi has been royally screwed over.
 
Mr Jack said:
Sutil back?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21457653

Disgusting.
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Wicked. I rate him higher than Di Resta.

Sutil was tried in a German court, for an incident that happened in China. The burden of proof in German courts differs from that in Anglo-American courts.

His team (management/legal) have already checked with the countries that hold a F1 race, and there seems to be no barrier to entry.

sr4470 said:
Great, another journeyman driver who accomplished relatively little of note in 5 previous F1 seasons at the team...
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The only driver with a midfield team to accomplish anything of note in the past 5 seasons is Vettel and his win in the Torro Rosso.

I'd argue that there being so few examples of drivers accomplishing anything of note within 5 seasons at midfield teams, speaks more the midfield teams, than it does of the drivers that they employ.
 
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sr4470 said:
Great, another journeyman driver who accomplished relatively little of note in 5 previous F1 seasons at the team...
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Apart from being one of the few drivers to consistently get better year on year, you mean? If not for the "Lux incident" he might well have replaced Hamilton at McLaren.

Also, Formula 1 needs more concert pianists.
 
englishpremier said:
The only driver with a midfield team to accomplish anything of note in the past 5 seasons is Vettel and his win in the Torro Rosso.

I'd argue that there being so few examples of drivers accomplishing anything of note within 5 seasons at midfield teams, speaks more the midfield teams, than it does of the drivers that they employ.
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Perez at Sauber getting a number of podiums and then a seat at McLaren.
Button at Honda being at the back of the grid and then becoming WDC.
Maldonado winning in a Williams.
Hulkenburgs pole in a Williams.
Rosbergs win in the Mercedes.

Need any more?
 
Skeeter said:
Perez at Sauber getting a number of podiums and then a seat at McLaren.
Button at Honda being at the back of the grid and then becoming WDC.
Maldonado winning in a Williams.
Hulkenburgs pole in a Williams.
Rosbergs win in the Mercedes.

Need any more?
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If we're going back 5 seasons you can add Kubica's win to the list.
 
englishpremier said:
Sutil was tried in a German court, for an incident that happened in China. The burden of proof in German courts differs from that in Anglo-American courts.
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The exact details of how trials do, of course, vary between countries but it's truly absurd to suggest that Germany doesn't have a top tier court system that can be relied on deliver justice more often than not (just as ours does).
 
Kevin Clark said:
Hamilton/Sutil is what you'd want to look out for. I seem to remember Hamilton refusing to testify on Sutil's behalf at the trial. Or something along those lines anyway.
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Yeah, because convicted criminals line up on the grid in the premier motorsport category intent on revenge on those who'd rather defy their PR company's wishes all the time. He's a racing driver. He just happens to have lost his head on an occasion. He's not exactly the mafia.

Like most I suspect, I'm 50/50 on Sutil as a driver. He's shown he's a very good driver in very specific conditions, but di Resta made him look very average. Hulkenberg then made di Resta look very average. So if they go for Sutil they're putting average up against average. Personally, I'm hardly thrilled at that specific prospect.

As much as I hate to say it, frankly they might as well go for Karthikeyan and make some money they can use elsewhere. Despite his single one-off impressive performance (which came to nothing) Sutil isn't going to prise out a potentially stunning result in the way Hulkenberg nearly did. Karthikeyan won't either. Profit.

Sad, but if it's a case of survive or cross your fingers and hope an average driver can take you to another level and bring in sponsors as a result, I'd pick the poor Indian bloke who has current sponsors and hope 2014 brings another 2009.
 
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And if you watch the season back, that merely told half the story. Where both drivers scored points, it was 3-3.

//edit: OK, I might have mis-calculated there!
 
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