F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

No dude.
You chose that handle because you support that team.
And now you are getting embarrassed by this fact. :p

Millwall do have a reputation for being thuggish, though.
I remember cycling through Fulham once and all the pubs were closed on a Sunday.
I later found out that Millwall were visiting Chelsea, so pub owners decided to board up, to avoid having to deal with Millwall fans (no joke).

Yep doesn't surprise me, the most chav-tastic and thuggish set of fans that spring to mind when it comes to English football teams : Millwall.

Eurgh, even writing the name makes me feel dirty.
 
Vodafone were yeah, or was that the year before? I can't even remember right now ha. Not sure about a title sponsor for next year, I've heard reports that Movistar and Gillette...

Ah here we go...

"MARCA can reveal that it is Telefónica, through its Movistar brand, which has the best possibilities of getting involved with the McLaren-Honda-Alonso threesome. In fact, there have already been many meetings between the driver's legal representatives and the Spanish communications giant over a possible future partership."

http://www.marca.com/en/2014/11/11/...1870b42ab5bb27200d4f2a69f05ec251&t=1415737511

Santander sponsor Mclaren and Alonso I think, hence the reason Button's in their adverts.

hmm I thought the race suits were just personal sponsors? JB has Santander on his (and has for a few years)
 
Kevin Magnusson has to be ranked below Heikki.

I'm surprised KMag actually lasted the entire season and wasnt replaced midway through, for being so embarrassingly bad. McLaren's management also have to take the blame on this one. They chose to get rid of Perez (who did a decent job) and replace him with a rookie. I knew that McLaren lost the will to win, but this took the biscuit.

If Alonso drives alongside KM, I'd be willing to bet that in at least 1 race, Alonso will lap KM. Terrible driver.

Honestly what the freaking hell? Magnussen keeps beating Button in qualifying, he's been ahead of him multiple times in races, beaten Button well in a few races and had a few finishes ahead of Button(or would have been ahead) taken away by penalties, you're talking complete and utter rubbish.

If the races with penalties(one certainly wasn't deserved, the other actually had no effect on the race his position or Button in any way shape or form) hadn't happened then effectively Magnussen would have finished ahead of Button 5 times while Button would have finished ahead of Magnussen 11 times... at the same time Magnussen has beaten Button in qualifying 10 times to 8.

he's new, these are pretty much the most complex cars in F1 history, he's a rookie, he's not used to Mclaren either let alone the actual cars. Button has had years of experience in this car, with the steering wheel, with his engineers.

It is no where near the white wash you and others have portrayed.

How is it Button lost out in qualifying to Magnussen if he was that absolutely awful, how did he finish ahead in 3 races and could/should have been too more. He's also had other things like punctures ruin a race from recollection.

He hasn't been fantastic, I'm not saying he's fantastic, he absolutely, categorically hasn't been as bad as you've said. You're implying he's one of the worst drivers you've ever seen yet, that would imply a guy who basically got beaten in every single qualifying and got beaten easily in every single race except for maybe a couple of fluke races where Button had issues. That isn't even close to the case.
 
Honestly what the freaking hell? Magnussen keeps beating Button in qualifying, he's been ahead of him multiple times in races, beaten Button well in a few races and had a few finishes ahead of Button(or would have been ahead) taken away by penalties, you're talking complete and utter rubbish.

If the races with penalties(one certainly wasn't deserved, the other actually had no effect on the race his position or Button in any way shape or form) hadn't happened then effectively Magnussen would have finished ahead of Button 5 times while Button would have finished ahead of Magnussen 11 times... at the same time Magnussen has beaten Button in qualifying 10 times to 8.

he's new, these are pretty much the most complex cars in F1 history, he's a rookie, he's not used to Mclaren either let alone the actual cars. Button has had years of experience in this car, with the steering wheel, with his engineers.

It is no where near the white wash you and others have portrayed.

How is it Button lost out in qualifying to Magnussen if he was that absolutely awful, how did he finish ahead in 3 races and could/should have been too more. He's also had other things like punctures ruin a race from recollection.

He hasn't been fantastic, I'm not saying he's fantastic, he absolutely, categorically hasn't been as bad as you've said. You're implying he's one of the worst drivers you've ever seen yet, that would imply a guy who basically got beaten in every single qualifying and got beaten easily in every single race except for maybe a couple of fluke races where Button had issues. That isn't even close to the case.

and of course yours is always a fair view

Even when JB lost in the race he proved he had far superior race pace (which is what counts to teams in the end as you can qualify on pole and without good race pace can be last by the end) even with significant errors / one off issues in the race
 
Honestly what the freaking hell? Magnussen keeps beating Button in qualifying, he's been ahead of him multiple times in races, beaten Button well in a few races and had a few finishes ahead of Button(or would have been ahead) taken away by penalties, you're talking complete and utter rubbish.

If the races with penalties(one certainly wasn't deserved, the other actually had no effect on the race his position or Button in any way shape or form) hadn't happened then effectively Magnussen would have finished ahead of Button 5 times while Button would have finished ahead of Magnussen 11 times... at the same time Magnussen has beaten Button in qualifying 10 times to 8.

he's new, these are pretty much the most complex cars in F1 history, he's a rookie, he's not used to Mclaren either let alone the actual cars. Button has had years of experience in this car, with the steering wheel, with his engineers.

It is no where near the white wash you and others have portrayed.

How is it Button lost out in qualifying to Magnussen if he was that absolutely awful, how did he finish ahead in 3 races and could/should have been too more. He's also had other things like punctures ruin a race from recollection.

He hasn't been fantastic, I'm not saying he's fantastic, he absolutely, categorically hasn't been as bad as you've said. You're implying he's one of the worst drivers you've ever seen yet, that would imply a guy who basically got beaten in every single qualifying and got beaten easily in every single race except for maybe a couple of fluke races where Button had issues. That isn't even close to the case.

Actually they're 9-9 on Qualifying, but please, don't let the facts get in the way, and with Button's Gearbox (Austin), and his Electrical Breakdown (Singapore) he'd be battering Magnusson to the tune of 15 races to 1 (in terms of who finished ahead)...Also, Perez did better against Button than Magnusson is doing this year, and he got dropped by Mclaren. But as we all know Ron will be too proud of Magnusson because of all the dribble he spouted about him, banging on about how he was the second coming before he'd even got in an F1 car...and now, the sad fact is that that has not come to fruition for Ron whatsoever, infact Magnusson has thoroughly and utterly diminished during the course of the season.

There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that he is a future WDC. He has led a backwards trend throughout the season, and his form has worsened whilst Button's has got better. The fact that these cars are so utterly different to drive to last years (look at Sebastian Vettel) should actually make it easier for Magnusson and give him more of an advantage, not less of one.

Button, as you say has been around for longer, so he's had to rewire his brain to adapt to the regulations, which many "top level" drivers have failed to do (see Kimi, see Seb, cheers)....For Magnusson he has simply had to wire his brain to it, he's young, he should be soaking that car up, the steering wheel, the way it feels etc. very quickly indeed, adapting to it and getting on with the job, thereby putting in the performances. This, he simply has not managed to do.

Apart from getting his elbows out, and getting a bit feisty sometimes, albeit to the tune of a few penalties for driving outside of the boundaries of what is deemed fair racing, oh and that semi-impressive drive in Austin, he really has done nothing, I repeat nothing to show that he has enough talent going forwards.

It's a well documented opinion held by many on here, yourself included, that Button is awful at Qualifying... Magnusson was alleged to to be "lightning quick" by the Mclaren senior figures before the season began. They have qualified 9-9. Hardly smacks of "lightning quick" then given "old man Button's" qualifying ability?

Tether that with Magnusson's race craft, and sorry Ron, but you're golden prodigy isn't the Danish whizz kid Superstar you thought he was. Bottas is better, Ricciardo is better, Hulkenberg is better, even Romain Grosjean is better I dare say, there I said it. Grosjean > Magnusson. Button has dominated Magnusson this year, he is a proven WDC, he has got double the amount of points that Magnusson has, he's got a 15 year wealth of experience and he's got the race craft to win races given a decent car.
 
I hope they stick with Button, but I can see it not happening.. He is not cheap, and mag does have some one lap pace. He also will not have the tools to take points from Alonso, so might be a nice dedicated number 2 who is much cheaper and easy to dump when the next great yoing hype comes along :D
I imagine Ron thinks that race craft can be taught, pace is harder to find!
 
I hope they stick with Button, but I can see it not happening.. He is not cheap, and mag does have some one lap pace. He also will not have the tools to take points from Alonso, so might be a nice dedicated number 2 who is much cheaper and easy to dump when the next great yoing hype comes along :D
I imagine Ron thinks that race craft can be taught, pace is harder to find!

whats the difference between race craft and race pace? (I know you didn't say race a 2nd time :))

You seem to be backing Ron's decision that he /the team can teach KM to get better race pace on a Sunday, which to me goes against everything I have seen over the last 20 years or so in f1

Over one or two races you may have a point - but over a season? I genuinely don't think he has enough race pace in him how ever good he gets at race craft

(to answer my own question, craft to me means how you can get around cars ahead of you more efficiently and stop "faster" cars getting ahead - without breaking the rules, which for the most part I don't think KM has a problem with)
 
I never said race pace?
Race craft is planning out, pushing when required, managing tyres, fuel maps, making tyre calls, and thinking of maximising the package you have at any time during a race.
Pace is being able to go really really fast.

I think Button is the right choice, but who am I?
I just think they will go with Mag.

I would be exstatic to be wrong!
 
Magnussen was only signed after McLaren felt they had a deal with another team, thought to be Marussia who then reneged on the deal. McLaren felt duty bound to give him a seat so they bumped Perez.
 
'Super GP2' plan mooted to boost Formula 1 grid

Another plan has been mentioned as a possibility...

Formula 1's small teams say Bernie Ecclestone has floated a plan to boost the F1 grid with 'Super GP2' cars.

During discussions between teams and Ecclestone at the Brazilian Grand Prix, one idea put forward was for a two-tier F1 to be created in the future.

As well as the usual constructors, the grid could be filled with upgraded GP2-type single-make cars, which would be run by customer teams.


None of these "plans" which have been put forward seem to do anything in the way of addressing the issue with the current costs of F1, if anything it seems to be to make it more expensive so the smaller teams can't survive, which is only going to put more pressure on teams (including some of the bigger teams) to focus on money returns and a lot of that focus will be more pay drivers... Which young drivers will be able to afford to run a "super GP2" car in F1 without the backing of a big team already...
 
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Costs are difficult to bring down. Although a cap would have been good, it just isn't workable. There will always be too many loop holes and new companies created to move money around to avoid it. The only way is to have more standardised parts, reduce the calendar, shorten the race, limit crew size at races etc.
 
Bernie is suggesting "Super GP2" out of sheer desperation. Nine teams is his worst nightmare; he can't mandate three-car teams as the grid only holds 26 cars, but if there are fewer than 20 cars on the grid he loses control of F1. That's why he's been so hardline with Sauber, FI and Lotus - if he can force one of them to drop out then three-car teams can be mandated.

The evil old gnome needs to be ousted right now, before he destroys F1 for a few million quid he doesn't need.
 
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Then he deleted it... lol.
 
12.11.14
“Following recent events re Caterham Sports Limited and 1 MRT Sdn Bhd, my adviser Eje Elgh and I have decided to terminate, with immediate effect, all agreements connecting me to the Caterham F1 team. This is a sad day as we have greatly enjoyed working with the team through a difficult and tough season. I wish to thank Colin Kolles, Manfredi Ravetto, Cyril Abiteboul and...

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