F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

Skeeter said:
He did. He regularly said that Ferrari would be his home until he retired from F1.

But that was before they failed miserably at giving him a title winning car for 5 years.
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Who would have thought it.
Now they take red Bulls cast off plus ferraris clear second best.
But harsh that.
 
Three things spring to mind with that vid from smr.

1) Fernando's racecraft - around the 2:00 mark*, he saved a position that I honestly thought was lost. He wasn't dirty (like most modern drivers), or overly-aggressive (again, like most modern drivers). He just put his car in exactly the right spot to make JB back out of it and try again. Pretty damned decent racing, in an era that fandumb called boring because a German in a Ferrari was winning. Hey ho :)
2) The torque on that Renault engine compared with the Honda :eek:....it gets to the apex of a slow-ish bend and then digs itself out a good distance ahead of the guy trying to get by. Nice work from the guys at Viry-Châtillon.
3) Button qualified 3rd, but got a 10 place penalty (engine change I think). Finished 8-and-a-bit seconds behind Schumacher's race-winning F2004 (probably the fastest GP car of all time). Remind me again why folks were so surprised when he was able to win races in a car that was capable of, you know, winning races? ;)


* - start at 1:45, Fernando brakes late for the next bend to stay ahead of Jenson, toughs it out around the next right-hander, then claims and holds the apex for the left-hander at 2:03.
 
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That is basically not how I read almost any of that video. When Alonso goes really wide it's because he's waiting to cut back inside after Button goes on the inside of the hairpin and thinks he'll end up slow on the outside. Alonso does that ALL the time, it was screwed up by Button being a big stonking girl and not breaking late or taking the place. Alonso didn't defend, he got as far wide as he could, he was expecting Button to take it clearly.

If anything it was Alonso misreading Button's intention/style and screwing up his own corner. Alonso loves to and has for years done the I'll concede it and get them back out of the corner, particularly with the cars better acceleration. As for saving a position you honestly thought was lost, what? Watch the side by side, ALonso was alongside till right before the corner. AS much as I don't think button is aggressive enough and not good enough had he swiped across to make sure he was ahead for the corner he'd have taking ALonso's wing and damaged his tire. He had no clear gap to swing across and take the corner. While Massa would have(and has done MANY times) just turned in on a car there Alonso was close enough that he had the inside line, cutting across would have caused a certain contact.

The point at which button finally passed is the time he didn't compromise each previous corner. Alonso goes wide or something at the hairpin and Button freaks out and changes his line going too tight and ruining the next straight which is where he was actually closest to over taking every lap. The first lap he doesn't compromise every corner he got Alonso quite comfortably in what to me looked the faster car overall with a good slipstream advantage but worse acceleration. He kept trying to fight Alonso into/out of a corner that favoured the car with better acceleration rather than pushing the fight to the point which favoured slipstream/faster top speed, when he finally got that, he made the pass.

Alonso didn't do an awful lot wrong except the one mistake where he went overly wide for no reason.
 
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this_is_gav said:
God I'm glad the up-the-box down-the-box traction control days are well behind us. Some good highlights, like the above, but damn was it hard watching race after race of varying degrees of tedium.
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Remember the pre selected downshifts? Where the driver would select the gear they wanted for the next corner, then jump on the brakes and the gearbox would auto downshift for them :(.

And the farting TC. I watched a race from the outside of Club at Silverstone and it was just 90 minuites of paaaaarp.

Its a shame the strides forward F1 has made get overshadowed my complaints about pretty insignificant things. I remember when drivers averaged less than 1 overtake a race.

LizardKing said:
oh and those engines sound w**k! :p Sounds like a beekeeper has lost his swarm!
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While the V8s and V10s made a glorious scream, it was a very one dimensional scream. The V6s are a far more interesting and multidimensional sound. If your at a race live after a while the GP2s just become annoying in comparison.

Interesting how opinions change isn't it.
 
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JRS said:
That's okay drunkenmaster, everyone is allowed an off-day once in a while.
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The position you thought was lost, Alonso was alongside him right up to the breaking zone at which point he had the inside and Button had like an inch advantage on him. Button had two choices, turn in and hit Alonso, stay wide and cede the position.

Massa, Maldonado and a couple of other drivers would have turned in, Alonso, button, Hamilton, Kimi, Vettel, the majority of drivers wouldn't have. If Button was in the same position but on the inside for the corner, it would have been his position. Unlike you and Massa, most people could see that Alonso's car couldn't magically disappear if you want to turn into the corner as normal. It wasn't an example of excellent driving, just something pretty simple, car on inside(even if literally a couple of inches behind) you can't just turn in and expect the guy not to hit you.

We see this almost every single race, guy on the outside needs space to turn and get infront, that position inside guy within a couple of inches of the guy on the outside in 9/10 corners the inside car is exiting the corner first.
 
Skeeter said:
Its a shame the strides forward F1 has made get overshadowed my complaints about pretty insignificant things. I remember when drivers averaged less than 1 overtake a race.
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You have to remember that as time has progressed, people's attention spans have also reduced.

We now have Twitter, where people dont want to read a message which takes longer than 15 seconds to read.

So, F1 needs to become a sport where there are more overtakes/action. If a viewer watches a race for 15 minutes and there are no changes in position, he will more than likely switch off. DRS, KERS, different tyre types, etc were brought in to address this. Ie. create artificial overtaking and to constantly change positions.

Another issue is that there are now so many sports available to watch, at the flick of a button press, each sport has to be more enticing to maintain/increase its viewership. Football is one of the only sports where nothing has actually changed. Cricket, Rugby, etc have changed over the last 15 years or so, to increase its attractiveness.
 
sunama said:
You have to remember that as time has progressed, people's attention spans have also reduced.

We now have Twitter, where people dont want to read a message which takes longer than 15 seconds to read.
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I find it shocking now that more and more articles are starting to become… with a section for those, TL;DR. Shocking!
 
sunama said:
You have to remember that as time has progressed, people's attention spans have also reduced.

We now have Twitter, where people dont want to read a message which takes longer than 15 seconds to read.

Football is one of the only sports where nothing has actually changed. Cricket, Rugby, etc have changed over the last 15 years or so, to increase its attractiveness.
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I actually think Ice Hockey style "Sin Bins" should be introduced to football (Soccer) with 5 min minor -15 min major "Bin-Time" for offences.
 
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Stoked :D :cool:
 
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