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Lazy day for me, got a man cold, so, V10's for breakfast anyone?
Button vs Alonso
F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!
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Lazy day for me, got a man cold, so, V10's for breakfast anyone?
Button vs Alonso
Soldato
As has been said before though, you are able to collate and collect much more information from how all of the engine and energy systems work in tandem together and exploit that knowledge by building the quickest and most efficient hybrid possible.
Being a works team, such as Williams and Force India only allows you to harness so much of that information, possible 80-85 percent or in that region, this is why the Mercedes team were so much quicker. They were able to exploit that knowledge, knowing 100% exactly how everything combines and fuses together.
As Ron said in Martin Brundle's interview with him, the only way teams are going to win Championships these days is by being thee works team, customer teams don't stand a chance. If we're to believe all of that then it would explain why Mclaren made the best decision by disbanding with their Mercedes partnership and reforging their relationship with Honda.
Just hope the Engine, PUs, Chassis all combine to create a quick and reliable car now.
A little thing called contracts would have stopped them from moving to Honda earlier
Also from the moment it was racec Honda would have been under the engine freeze which would lose them more in the long run
Who says 2015 is a waste - you - hope you have the lottery numbers tonight you are so good at aeeing the future
Honda aretwo months ahead of renault this time last year
Smr - surely Williams and FI are customer teams
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A little thing called contracts would have stopped them from moving to Honda earlier
Also from the moment it was racec Honda would have been under the engine freeze which would lose them more in the long run
Who says 2015 is a waste - you - hope you have the lottery numbers tonight you are so good at aeeing the future
Honda aretwo months ahead of renault this time last year
Smr - surely Williams and FI are customer teams
Hah, well spotted, I meant customer
Ignoring engine supply contracts with Merc. who says the Honda PU was in any state to be bolted to a chassis mid-season?
Using the rest of the year as an extended test would have dropped them further down the constructors, and even McLaren need every penny of prize money they can get. Not to mention the sight of a McLaren blowing up at every opportunity wouldn't be too appealing to the sponsors that they do have.
Completely non-viable on so many levels I would imagine.
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Yep it's not logical or indeed feasible on any level. Contractually, performance related, when they were learning and upgrading the aero on the car etc. reliability, the list goes on, infact there's not a single viable reason as to why they should have done such a thing!
Don
Theoretical question...
if they had run the Honda engine in any official sessions, surely it would then have been subject to the engine freeze?
So not exactly going to help much with development!
if they had run the Honda engine in any official sessions, surely it would then have been subject to the engine freeze?
So not exactly going to help much with development!
Soldato
Alonso reminds me of Dr. Reinhardt in The Black Hole
The deadline for homoligation and therefore legality within the regulations for the 2014 season was prior to the first race of the year. So unless they have also invented a time machine there was no way they could run a Honda engine in 2014. The cut off for the engine freeze/homoligation isn't simply the first time its used.
The only engines allowed to be used thought the 2014 season were the Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari units as homoligated in March 2014.
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Probably.
Will JB pull over if he's told over the radio that Fernando is faster than him? That's the real question
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I doubt it. He didn't seem to have it at Ferrari (perhaps agreed with Massa, hence Hockenheim, but certainly not with Raikkonen) and he probably thinks Button will be a strong teammate, but one he would expect to beat in equal circumstances. I can't see Button signing a contract which wouldn't allow him to finish ahead of Alonso anyway, and especially so if he's taken a pay cut.
Imagine how much work smr's right hand will get if button beats Alonso! 
I do think it's a shame for KM. Buttons performance must have made this tough for the powers that be.
On Alonso. Did he not say when he joined Ferrari something along lines of 'I will finish my career at Ferrari'?
I do think it's a shame for KM. Buttons performance must have made this tough for the powers that be.
On Alonso. Did he not say when he joined Ferrari something along lines of 'I will finish my career at Ferrari'?
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I have to admit, I agree. I've never seen what the fuss is all about with Alonso.
Anyway, I suspect we'll again see McLaren as also rans next season, with both Alonso and Button only ever making P3 to P5 every quali and race, and them being inteviewed looking disappointed, telling us how there are more upgrades on the way. BUT, we shall wait and see if my pessimism is right or wrong.
The fuss with Alonso is he does things with the car that shouldn't be done, consistently. He damn near won a title with a car that was neither the fastest or most reliable. You often see a title won in a car that isn't fastest but more reliable or the other way round, he got close to within a title showdown of pulling that off. Look at how people who worked with him and schumacher talked about Alonso or even Smedley who was in the other half of the garage talks about him being the best of the modern era. Which is some praise considering Schumacher.
Lewis does it in flashes but it took the best car of all time for him to win another title or even get close to another title. Alonso is on another planet in terms of getting the best out of his machinery consistently, no matter what the rules are or tyres. He's utterly unlikeable even more so that Lewis, yet he's still talked of so highly in the pitlane when he really should have been cast aside after the last mclaren debacle.
It's interesting that it turns out Ron went back on his word to him in 2007, I didn't know that. That Whitmarsh wanted rid of Alonso until he learnt that too.
Lewis does it in flashes but it took the best car of all time for him to win another title or even get close to another title. Alonso is on another planet in terms of getting the best out of his machinery consistently, no matter what the rules are or tyres. He's utterly unlikeable even more so that Lewis, yet he's still talked of so highly in the pitlane when he really should have been cast aside after the last mclaren debacle.
It's interesting that it turns out Ron went back on his word to him in 2007, I didn't know that. That Whitmarsh wanted rid of Alonso until he learnt that too.
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He did. He regularly said that Ferrari would be his home until he retired from F1.
But that was before they failed miserably at giving him a title winning car for 5 years.
Exactly didn't Lewis say he wanted to drive for Mclaren forever too. You can't blame either for eventually having enough of the machinery. Loyalty did sod all for JV's career, why follow the same path. I think LDM going too had some impact, maybe.
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Read a tweet yesterday saying Ron Dennis has given both drivers "equal parity" which I think is fair.