F1 2016 tyre rules

They'll make tyres which can last an entire race distance and pitstops will become mandatory within a certain window. Isn't that the only way to completely remove the tyres from strategy?

I'm surprised they haven't made races mandatory 2 or 3 stop races. That way they can push 100% on the current tyres. F1 is already pretty artificial so why not just add a sprinkle more?
 
That's my worry. If they make tyres that you can push hard on and only do two stops, some teams will try to make them last and only do one stop. We could have the Trulli Train reimagined and rebooted.
 
Timmehs suggestion is the only real way to remove tyre strategy. Either have zero stops, or a fixed number that creates stints much shorter than the life of the tyres. Both situations would suck.

Or... people could just realise that managing "something" has always been part of F1, at the moment that something is tyres, and that's the way it is. They can then move on to solving the actual problems, such as a totally unsustainable costs model and a formula that fails to promote talent.
 
Managing "something" has always been a part but maybe not to the extent that they have to now. I have agree with deuse to a certain extent, managing tyres from lap4 is just daft but there's nothing they can do about it.

Also, is asking drivers what they want going to make F1 better? They're going to say whatever will give them an advantage. Maybe they should be asking the fans instead :idea: :p
 
Drop the pit stops but make the tyres so they can't last the whole race. And purposefully pick the tyres so they won't last a whole race if you drive round at 90% all day either.
 
timmeh said:
Managing "something" has always been a part but maybe not to the extent that they have to now. I have agree with deuse to a certain extent, managing tyres from lap4 is just daft but there's nothing they can do about it.

Also, is asking drivers what they want going to make F1 better? They're going to say whatever will give them an advantage. Maybe they should be asking the fans instead :idea: :p
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The drivers seemed to think refueling was a good idea.... :rolleyes:

ratface said:
Single make series racing produces very close racing without the issues around overtaking and having to resort to push to pass or the tyre malarky we are seeing within the f1 circus.

Pit stops should be dropped, either allow teams to choose their tyres or specify a tyre. They should not be the focus of discussion it supposed to be a race. As for tyre management, it should be for the driver to manage the heat in them to get the best from them not have to manage the wear.

Overheat them through wheel spin then suffer until they cool and then push hard again, its meant to be a sprint not a marathon
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Its actually not meant to be a sprint at all, and never has been. F1 races are longer than any other non oval series that isn't branded as 'Endurance' (they are actually longer than the the Blancpain Endurance Series races and some of the Le Mans Series races which have driver changes!).

All the single make series that produce close racing have little or no pit stops and and short sprint races. And those that do have longer races (I.e. IndyCar) have actually had to implilent push to pass to stop the races being boring.

MissChief said:
Drop the pit stops but make the tyres so they can't last the whole race. And purposefully pick the tyres so they won't last a whole race if you drive round at 90% all day either.
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How would that work? Everyone has to drive around at 50% otherwise they will have worn through to the canvas before the end of the race?
 
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Which bit? The length of the races is not anyones opinion, its a fact.

At what point do you consider F1 to have stopped pushing technology? Personally (this bit is opinion) it stopped once they started banning technology that existed on other cars or even road cars. My 14 year old, beat up Renault Clio has more advanced braking technology on it than the 2013 F1 cars had (that bits fact). Its only not the case any more because the V6 era has brought with it brake by wire rear axle braking which is actually pretty technologically complex.

F1 cars up until 2014 were actually incredibly technologically simple. And then when the sport does introduce some forward looking technology and push the boundaries, everyone says its **** and complains they don't want it.

F1 isn't about pushing technology, and hasn't been for decades. It should be about the pinacle of racing though, I agree there, and at the moment it certainly isn't that, but thats primarily due to the cost of competing (Maldonado will remain my go to example for that), combined with the number of GP2 and FR3.5 Champions who don't get a seat in F1.

No race with pit stop is a sprint, either.
 
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Why was it interesting to watch? It certainly can't have been for the "good racing", as the technology dominated, making driver skill pretty irrelevant. Similar to the criticism that Mercedes has had for the last couple of years.

Pinnacle of technology and pinnacle of racing are exclusive, its almost impossible to have both at the same time.
 
Skeeter said:
Its actually not meant to be a sprint at all, and never has been. F1 races are longer than any other non oval series that isn't branded as 'Endurance' (they are actually longer than the the Blancpain Endurance Series races and some of the Le Mans Series races which have driver changes!).
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Whilst I don't disagree with the wider point being made, the Blancpain Endurance Series has a minimum of 3 hour long races. The sister Blancpain Sprint Series are 1 hour races.

Each is a separate championship, but there is an overall champion crowned.
 
The problem with the current tyres isn't so much the wear but rather the thermal characteristics of the tyre itself. The issue is that when drivers go flat out they overheat the tyre which permanently changes the characteristics of the rubber, 'curing' it if you will. This is the reason why drivers are so frustrated, they have to drive at 90% even if the wear rate of the tyre is adequate to make their strategies work.

This issue is further complicated by the extremely narrow working window that the Pirellis have compared to previous tyres. This was shown to the extreme in 2012 when different teams hit the working window in the first half of the season and the results seemed almost random. Canada 2012 was an example when LH and JB had differing setups that meant there was 2 seconds per lap difference in the race. One of them was in the window, the other wasn't.

I think what we need are tyres that have a wide window and can be driven 100% flat out until the tyre is dead. The wear itself isn't an issue, its the frankly poor way the Pirellis behave after being driven too hard which means they never recover. I would also argue we need wider front tyres (they were narrowed in 2010) to increase mechanical grip and also make it harder for the narrower front wings we now have to have such a dominant effect. This should even up the grip a following car has as the front aero/mechanical downforce ratio should be more favourable.
 
Marvin said:
Whilst I don't disagree with the wider point being made, the Blancpain Endurance Series has a minimum of 3 hour long races. The sister Blancpain Sprint Series are 1 hour races.

Each is a separate championship, but there is an overall champion crowned.
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Are they 3? Sorry, I thought they were 2.

The FIA GT races were 2 weren't they?
 
reef said:
I think what we need are tyres that have a wide window and can be driven 100% flat out until the tyre is dead.
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I'm not following. If they have a window, then it implies there is a time in the tires lifespan that it cannot be pushed 100%.

Is it even possible to make a tire that can take 'qualy pace' throughout a whole race distance? As soon as stops are involved, every team does the same because they calculate to the second which is the fastest strat. At that point the tires mean moot.
 
Exactly. The drivers don't push now because its not the fastest strategy, not because the tyres won't allow it.

No matter what you design the tyres to do, strategy will always take over.

And a point everyone seems to forget is if every driver drove every lap flat out, Mercedes would win every race by a minute, and everyone would just finish in the order that they qualified. We need strategy to mix things up and provide excitement.
 
"Pirelli has confirmed that its 2016 Formula 1 tyres will feature a performance “cliff” similar to the type seen during the early years"

"thermal degradation tyres have often been criticised by drivers who cannot push to their maximum limits for fear of using all of the tyre’s life too early."
So true.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/...1-tyres-will-have-prominent-performance-peak/

Still a long way to go. Roll on 2018.
 
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