F1 2019 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

Mr Jack said:
Yeah, this. If you're going to discount Stroll's podium at Baku, you're basically saying that any win by anyone who isn't in one of the fastest cars is a "fluke". Of course he wouldn't have won if the cars ahead hadn't had trouble - if Vettel hadn't rammed Hamilton twice under the safety car, if Bottas and Kimi hadn't tangled, etc. - but that doesn't make it a "fluke", it just means he took his chance when it was there.
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No I'm not, I'm saying that someone who goes from 7th to 3rd based on the bad luck for the people in front was a fluke, it doesn't matter what car he's in. If it was Vettel or Hamilton it would still be a fluke. There wasn't any sort of exceptional driving or strategy that got him up there, yes he didn't crash on a street circuit but neither did most of the other drivers.

Maldonado's win in Spain wasn't a fluke because he didn't require any luck to get to where he was, he drove the wheels off that Williams under massive pressure from Alonso and got a well deserved win. Same with Vettel's STR win at Monza.

Mr Jack said:
If he'd, say, been approaching the pit when a safety car was called and jumped a dozen places because of it, I'd be willing to call it a fluke, but winning because the cars ahead of you made a hash of it? That's just F1.
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How is his position on track when a safety car is called any different to his position on track when cars crash? If he was approaching the pit when the safety car was called and made up a dozen places, wouldn't that just be him taking his chance when it was there?

Mr Jack said:
Good results, especially for drivers in lower teams, require a splash of luck.
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It sounds like you're agreeing with me then :D

I think we just need to agree to disagree :p
 
timmeh said:
Maldonado's win in Spain wasn't a fluke because he didn't require any luck to get to where he was, he drove the wheels off that Williams under massive pressure from Alonso and got a well deserved win. Same with Vettel's STR win at Monza.
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I think you've forgotten what happened to the actual pole sitter of that race.
 
They'll be hoping to 'do a Bottas' i.e. have a better team buy out his contract if he's a decent driver. It'll be 2021 before Williams have a realistic chance of competing anywhere near the front again, if then.
 
Bit more money and tie ups coming via Ferrari too, so getting rid of one form of payment for another. Giovanazzi in to replace Vettel at some point if he impresses with the full time seat?
 
SoliD said:
Bit more money and tie ups coming via Ferrari too, so getting rid of one form of payment for another. Giovanazzi in to replace Vettel at some point if he impresses with the full time seat?
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I still think Hamilton would like a couple of years in Red. And Ferrari will want a young hard charger IMO so could go for Verstappen. Max and Charles could be the Ferrari driver pairing for the next ten years!
 
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