F1 2019 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!
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This just strengthens my belief that the Red Bull are screwing the pooch engine wise.
DR knows this and is going to the source where they don't inadequately package the thing.
DR knows this and is going to the source where they don't inadequately package the thing.
Soldato
I know this always gets said, but we saw how well that worked out for McLaren. At this point I just don't believe Honda have it in them to make a good hybrid engine. This season they've already used 10 ICE components between the two cars, and pretty much as many MGU-H and MGU-K units. You've only not heard about it so much as Torro Rosso don't moan like McLaren and Alonso did.
Those numbers are also only going to get worse as Red Bull have told Honda that its fine to test new engine components in the TR at every race, so they'll be starting from the back of the grid from pretty much every remaining race.
I'm not sure if you're being intentionally stupid, but how is a massive displacement, non-hybrid W16 or V12 in any way relevant to a tiny displacement hybrid V6...?
Don
Agree - however the difference is that Renault definitely aren't going to adapt their PU to fit Red Bull's packaging/aero requirements (maybe why the Renault fails so much in the RB). Having works status surely means the RB will at least have some influence in that department (although again you only have to look at how much Mclaren's "Size Zero" negatively affected the Honda PU)
Soldato
Exactly what I was about to say
It seems Red Bull have done the same thing to Renault this year as they alone are suffering the vast majority of the failures. The lack of compromise on the aero is killing their engines. Given that Newey and Prodromou worked together in the past it seems a common trait of their cars.
It is all about know-how and passion in/for building sports cars, which obviously both Renault and Honda lack.
See, if you want to buy a scrappy- crappy, cheap car, they are the first to offer you something.
Soldato
It is all about know-how and passion in/for building sports cars, which obviously both Renault and Honda lack.
See, if you want to buy a scrappy- crappy, cheap car, they are the first to offer you something.
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What the haemorraghing **** are you on about???
Associate
I think he's saying Renault and Honda don't build sports cars (which is wrong) so they have no passion for F1 (wrong again)
I suppose we can ignore Honda's 80s dominance and Renaults title winning cars from the last 15 years or so
He's mentioned Lamborghini engines and the Bugatti Veyron so probably is coming from the 'super car' angle rather than genuine sports cars (i.e. go round a track, not just look and sound awesome).
Anyone who thinks Renault doesn't have motorsport in their blood is obviously not a motorsport fan.
Soldato
Yeah, they only had their own entire World Series a few year ago that plenty of current F1 drivers came through and which was also completely free to go watch.
Man of Honour
Alonso has no chance of a seat at Red Bull after Horner states that he causes chaos wherever he has driven. Story here. Maybe Gasly has a good chance of getting it after Horner says that their preference is to continue investing in young drivers.
Now that Strolls dad has bought him a team does anybody think that Kubica will get that seat at Williams?
Now that Strolls dad has bought him a team does anybody think that Kubica will get that seat at Williams?
Soldato
Never in a million years. So yeah, it'll probably happen given my history of predictions.
This seems most likely, but I would *love* to see Alonso in a front running car, so my heart is telling me that Horner is just playing games to get Alonso to accept a lower wage packet
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Soldato
Alonso to Williams or Team Stroll?
I can't see him at Williams at all. FI/Stroll F1 maybe, the car is certainly better than his current ride and has Mercedes power. I can't see Perez moving though.
Soldato
The Force India won't get him to the front though, so it would be a sideways move at best. His prospects at McLaren are probably better than at Force India (in terms of potential ability).
I still think he'll go to Indycar for a year or two.
I still think he'll go to Indycar for a year or two.
Soldato
As ever, Fred has talked himself into a corner. In reality there's only one team available to him - McLaren - that will treat and pay him anywhere near that of a top driver. But he's clearly become disillusioned once he realised what he probably already knew - Honda weren't solely to blame for a dog of a car.
To save face (and preserve sanity) and preserve his value, a year or two in Indycar seems a good option. It is always dangerous to give up a seat, but he's big enough that a reasonably good team would have him back, especially when a number of the current top drivers might be on their way to ending far more successful careers than him by then.
To save face (and preserve sanity) and preserve his value, a year or two in Indycar seems a good option. It is always dangerous to give up a seat, but he's big enough that a reasonably good team would have him back, especially when a number of the current top drivers might be on their way to ending far more successful careers than him by then.
Man of Honour
Lots of rumours that Kimi has signed a 1 year extension. If true then probably announced at Spa or Monza.
Leclerc to Haas in place of Grosjean has also been mooted.