See a few arguments but not quite that bad. Do you work for a tabloid?
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See a few arguments but not quite that bad. Do you work for a tabloid?
Christ I hope you don't spend any time around football fans...
I think your confusing rage with passion.
With football fans, I can understand.
You have to understand that in many British families, kids are taken to watch football games (live), by their fathers/uncles etc.
In effect, from a very young age, young males are allied to a single team.
With F1, its different. For most F1 fans, they don't necessarily support a single team (with the exception of Italians and Ferrari, which is very similar to football supporters). Most of the time, F1 fans support drivers.
Example: if Hamilton and Button both joined Ferrari and Massa and Alonso switched to McLaren, which team would most on these boards support? I suspect Ferrari.
Now lets switch this to Football. If Rooney and Carrick swapped places with Tevez and Aguerro, would Man City supporters switch to Man Utd - I think not.
If Williams start performing badly (which they did last year), would you have hoards of F1 fans standing outside the factory asking for management to be sacked? Nope. But in football, this does happen.
In summary, you cannot compare a Football team with an F1 team.
I'll agree with most of what you have said, but you must remember that the track designers of today are seriously hamstrung by health and safety guidelines.
For example, if Tilke (or anybody else) wanted to design another Spa, they wouldn't be allowed, due to the latest, stringent safety rules. The same goes for Monaco, which would never get the go ahead in 2012.
You are placing Silverstone up there with Spa and Canada...I wouldn't.
Lets see...
All old tracks > all new tracks.
Tilke tracks are poor, although they are getting better.
Valencia is the worst track on the calendar, and a candidate for worst ever
Actual worst ever is the Vegas carpark
Some of the best tracks in the world are not on the F1 calendar at the moment
Abu Dhabi is massively impressive in everything except the key point of track itself
Spa is the best track on the calendar
Canada is the second best
Silverstone is held up by its heritage more than the quality of the track
Monaco is marmite
Sao Paulo should always be the final race of the year
Tracks with packed grandstands should always trump those where 4 people turn up but its government funded
Paul Ricard will suck in every possible way
Portimao should be on the calendar
Bahrain, Singapore, Korea, Valencia, and Barcalona could all be dropped from the calendar and nobody would care.
Go...
I'll go along with most of that, but I do like Singapore for some reason probably because its a night race.
Well that's utter rubbish imo. I have always supported British teams and drivers (regardless of who they drive for). In your example above I would still follow Lewis and Jenson if the went to Ferrari and the same for McLaren even though Alonso and Massa where driving for them.
you went too far suggesting those two for Ferrari - I would NEVER support Ferrari in a month of Sundays
As for football - hmmm I see where you are going, and depending on where ex Utd players end up I still support them or keep an interest in how they are doing) especially young kids that get sold off to get more 1st team football
Lets see...
All old tracks > all new tracks.
Tilke tracks are poor, although they are getting better.
Valencia is the worst track on the calendar, and a candidate for worst ever
Abu Dhabi is massively impressive in everything except the key point of track itself
Spa is the best track on the calendar
Canada is the second best
Silverstone is held up by its heritage more than the quality of the track
Monaco is marmite
Sao Paulo should always be the final race of the year
Bahrain, Singapore, Korea, Valencia, and Barcalona could all be dropped from the calendar and nobody would care.
Go...
Certainly agree with that lot for sure
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You can still build interesting tracks while keeping within the FIA safety regulations for F1.
Look at Portimao. Its certified for F1 racing.
But you are right, most of what makes the older tracks great is the fact they were built in a very different era.
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I actually quite like Circuit de Catalunya and think it's unfair to tarnish it with the same brush as the likes of Velencia, Bahrain, and Korea. But I will say it is much more fun to drive around (Forza, F1 games) than it is to watch -- something that certainly can't be said for the other bore-fests, at least in my opinion.
Keep Singapore and Korea, they have produced pretty reasonable races over the last few years.
Bring back Mexico and the Detroit street circuit
Glad I am not a driver fan that has to change teams, never understood those that must support all things British either, but each to their own
Sunama saying only Italians support Ferrari is pretty funny though Also his claim that most F1 fans are driver fans, where he gets that from is anyone's guess..
Sunama saying only Italians support Ferrari is pretty funny though
Also his claim that most F1 fans are driver fans, where he gets that from is anyone's guess..This track usually produces processions.
After the first few laps, providing there are no out of the ordinary events, the race finishing order is decided.
I do take your point though, with regards to driving on the track - in F1 simulators, it is a fun track to drive on.
Most fans tend to support drivers OR drivers from their own country.
An example would be Senna. He was the probably the most loved driver in Brazil. It didnt matter which team he drove for...his following was absolute.
Lets take Button. He drove for BAR Honda (funded by a Japanese brand) and he had a big following. He moved to McLaren and he still has a huge following.
Lets take MSc. He had a massive following around the World, particularly by German fans. It didnt matter if he drove for Bennetton or Ferrari. As long as he was winning on track, his fans never left him.
I'm giving you concrete examples where fans follow drivers, not teams. If you have a counter argument, I am all ears.
Sunama saying only Italians support Ferrari is pretty funny though
You think that Italians are not passionate about Ferrari? Perhaps I have misunderstood your comment.
You do realise that the Ferrari F1 team has a dedicated column in many Italian newspapers. The team is reported on, on a daily basis. The team is under immense pressure to perform. Ferrari is as close to a football team (with regards to fanatical following) as you can get. The same cannot be said about any other team in F1.
Ferrari are the one F1 team which seem to operate in league of their own. Even when the money from F1 is distributed between the teams, Ferrari tend to get a higher percentage.
As always, I'd love to hear your counter argument, though...if you have one.
Out of interest, why is Barcelona often used for testing? What is so special about Barcelona? Is it just tradition or is there something special about that track which makes it more suitable for testing than any other track?
You think that Italians are not passionate about Ferrari? Perhaps I have misunderstood your comment.
You do realise that the Ferrari F1 team has a dedicated column in many Italian newspapers. The team is reported on, on a daily basis. The team is under immense pressure to perform. Ferrari is as close to a football team (with regards to fanatical following) as you can get. The same cannot be said about any other team in F1.
Ferrari are the one F1 team which seem to operate in league of their own. Even when the money from F1 is distributed between the teams, Ferrari tend to get a higher percentage.
As always, I'd love to hear your counter argument, though...if you have one.
What on earth?
You seemed to suggest it's only Italians that support Ferrari
Ferrari has supporters all over the world not just Italians, and I am fully aware of the Italian media. McLaren has plenty of fans as does Williams.
LOL seriously where to even go with that, everyone knows drivers have their fans who follow them, just as everyone knows teams have their fans and they don't change when the drivers do. Williams has a decent fanbase, I know fans of McLaren, are you trying to say you don't think teams have fans?
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It's hard on tyres (which I guess can make things interesting, certainly so in 1997) but that added chicane on the backstretch messed up any potential overtaking on the pit straight.