F1 Testing 2010

It wasn't really until other teams started openly stating they were worried about the Brawn. When the teams started doing that you knew they had tried to match them for pace and couldn't in any config.

Eh?

If memory serves me correct the Brawn released their car very late. And in the very first test, they went fastest. They then continued to dominate any test sessions they attended.

I remember in an interview, J.Button stated that the above was the case and in the excitement he phoned his father to tell him about it, when he went fastest, on the very first test.

Pretty much whatever occurred in pre season testing in 2009, continued on when racing proper began. There was no sand-bagging. There was no hiding speed and all the other nonsense that we hear of.

When drivers go out there, they go out there to impress - not only themselves, but also the watching public, their own team-mates and their bosses. To sandbag would require a level of self confidence that probably only MS had when he was at his peak, safe in the knowledge that he would get preferential treatment from his team, no matter what.

McLaren (during preseason testing, 2009) were struggling. Everybody, including myself, felt that once the season proper starts, they would up their game. Unfortunately, this did not happen.

In general, whatever we see happen in pre-season testing, is followed through into the first few races of the season. In saying this, what we have seen is only the first test of the season, so it is too early to tell.

What we do know is that Ferrari have produced a very fast car, though we can expect the car advantage to vary from circuit to circuit (ie. some cars will dominate on short, tight, twisty circuits, while other cars will dominate on open, long-straighted, power circuits).

I think its also safe to say that Alonso is going to attempt to "break" Massa as soon as possible and get the entire Ferrari team behind his World Championship campaign. He has shown his intent by going substantially faster than Massa did in half as many laps.
 
Actually, they'll probably just do what they did at Hockenheim in 1980, and send a squad to break into the garage to photograph the car in detail....

Personally, I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

Spying should be pencilled in to every team's budget (except McLaren, as they are so bad at it).

Good on Ferrari for doing what it takes to win and gain an advantage.
 
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Ross Brawn interview

He describes their pace as 'reasonable' - which sounds quite defeatist to me.

Apparently they have handling issues and their exhaust is cracking due to excess heat every 150-200km - obviously their packaging is a little too tight.

He also said he's confused as to Ferrari's pace as the MGP car was on the same pace with heavy fuel, but the Ferrari was much faster when emptied.
 
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Button Interview

Seems I was spot on about the delay at start being about comfort. Sounds like he's not gone for any all out pace yet which he is eager to do, more of an orientation day.

Brawn always sound defeatist really, plays everything down. I wonder how he knows what Ferrari were running and when. Experienced guess? We have to remember they have MS on board who can no doubt set a car up to get the best from it, so the next test should be more informative with regards to the teams who have already tested this week.

Sauber look promising at the moment. Nobodies had any real drama or unreliability reported bar minor things. Hopefully we can chalk them up as another competitive team. Looking forward to the next tests to see some more teams running, not long left till the first race!
 
Nobodies had any real drama or unreliability reported bar minor things.

I think that is the only useful thing we learnt from this test. Reliability seems good.

The 15,000km testing, is that per team or per car? How much of a constraint is it in reality?
 
Eh?

If memory serves me correct the Brawn released their car very late. And in the very first test, they went fastest. They then continued to dominate any test sessions they attended..

Yes I know all that, I was making reference to saubers pace and how everyone was speculating that Brawn needed sponsors last year too in comparison to Sauber this year.

Regardless of how quick Jenson went in the first test no one knew how geniunely quick the car was until other teams openly stated they couldn't match the times set by Brawn.

Yes they had topped the times but you have no idea how different teams are running until they admit they couldn't beat another teams time.

This season looks like another Alonso Hamilton battle so far judging by stint lap times and when they have been setting times. The ferrari looks strong. If Alonso has a car advantage he will be unstoppable.

Interested to see what red bull have built now.
 
Yes they had topped the times but you have no idea how different teams are running until they admit they couldn't beat another teams time.

I don't think the other team need to admit anything. Last year, it was plain for everyone to see that BrawnGP went to the top of the time sheets, immediately. When a team does that, you know that that team is going to start the season very strong. No team would be foolish enough to put in slow lap times on purpose.

Every team/driver/employee needs their morale to be boosted and the best way to do this is to post the fastest lap times on the track. This is why the argument that some people use of sandbagging simply doesnt make any sense to me, unless you have produced such a freakishly fast car, that you are hiding the true performance of your car, fearing that you car may get banned before you get the chance to use it in the first GP.

This season looks like another Alonso Hamilton battle so far judging by stint lap times and when they have been setting times. The ferrari looks strong. If Alonso has a car advantage he will be unstoppable.

I would agree with your statement, but don't you think Massa will be able to compete against Alonso? Massa is established and comfortable at Ferrari, while Alonso still has to settle in.
 
I don't think the other team need to admit anything. Last year, it was plain for everyone to see that BrawnGP went to the top of the time sheets, immediately. When a team does that, you know that that team is going to start the season very strong. No team would be foolish enough to put in slow lap times on purpose.

Every team/driver/employee needs their morale to be boosted and the best way to do this is to post the fastest lap times on the track. This is why the argument that some people use of sandbagging simply doesnt make any sense to me, unless you have produced such a freakishly fast car, that you are hiding the true performance of your car, fearing that you car may get banned before you get the chance to use it in the first GP.



I would agree with your statement, but don't you think Massa will be able to compete against Alonso? Massa is established and comfortable at Ferrari, while Alonso still has to settle in.

It wasn't about the other teams sangbagging there was plenty of cause for people to think Brawn were fudging the times ala prost in the hope of securing sponsorship.

Even some of the teams doubted the legitamacy of the brawn out of the box.

As for massa, he's a lamb to the slaughter. he's no longer driving against a world champion whose no longer interested or wants to turn up and sit in the fastest car.

Alonso unlike Kimi will be putting every thing into making that car the best and getting the most from it. He's also not a clueless gimp that gets lost when the car is off on day one. He can drive around it or make it better.

Massa doesn't stand a chance, I'd also be amazed if Alonso signed a contract that didn't make massa an instant no2.

I don't much like alonso personally but I've missed him at the sharp end of the grid. Hopefully he will be in a car to do that. Alonso doesn't need to bed in, he didn't at mclaren who didn't seem to like him much and Ferrari will love him.
 
Autosport made an interesting point in the last issue. Of all Michael Schumacher's team-mates over the years, Massa was the 2nd closest to him on %age points scored in the partnership (Brundle was 1st, for their '92 season at Benetton - he scored just under 72% of the total Schumacher got). And that was 2006-vintage Massa. He's come on in leaps and bounds since. I don't think it's necessarily a forgone conclusion that Alonso will have it all his own way.
 
Those are interesting stats you have brought up there JRS. Very interesting.

I never rated Massa highly in his early years, but during the last few years, he has consistently been competing for the title. Its the consistency which impresses me - anyone can have 1 great season and not be heard from ever again, but to be consistent shows true skill.

The problem for Massa is that now he is up against arguably, the best F1 driver on the grid, which makes the chances of him winning the title, very slim. As Danny stated, it would be suprising if Alonso hasnt already got some form of verbal or written agreement that the Ferrari team will support his WDC bid, ahead of Massa. After what happened to Alonso in 2007, I think he would've learnt his lesson and won't presume (like he did in 2007) that he will be given preferential treatment, without some form of agreement.

Judging by the lap times, Alonso will be doing all he can to "break" Massa, at every opportunity. This was always to be expected though.
 
Autosport made an interesting point in the last issue. Of all Michael Schumacher's team-mates over the years, Massa was the 2nd closest to him on %age points scored in the partnership (Brundle was 1st, for their '92 season at Benetton - he scored just under 72% of the total Schumacher got). And that was 2006-vintage Massa.

Another way to look at it is that MS was on the decline by 2006 (he knew this and quit at the end of that season). It could be argued that rather than Massa doing fantastically well against MS, it was more down to the fact that MS wasn't as good as he once was, which allowed Massa to compare well against MS.
 
I neither like or dislike Alonso, but one thing he has is balls. He will do do anything to get one over Massa.
 
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Another way to look at it is that MS was on the decline by 2006 (he knew this and quit at the end of that season). It could be argued that rather than Massa doing fantastically well against MS, it was more down to the fact that MS wasn't as good as he once was, which allowed Massa to compare well against MS.

Massa was never in the title hunt, he scored a good heap of points doing exactly what he should, bringing a good car home. He was never really bothering MS and had decent reliability.

The only year massa has featured in the title is the year with lewis, it will never happen again unless the ferrari has the best car by a mile and alonsos legs fall off.

Massa will have to up his game significantly from having Kimi as his team mate. It won't happen, Alonso is never ever off his game.
 
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