F1 Testing 2010

Another way to look at it is that MS was on the decline by 2006 (he knew this and quit at the end of that season). It could be argued that rather than Massa doing fantastically well against MS, it was more down to the fact that MS wasn't as good as he once was, which allowed Massa to compare well against MS.

Schumacher wasn't on the decline in 2006. F1 Racing magazine did a comparison of laptimes at the end of that season, and the average gap between Schumacher and Massa was 0.5 seconds. It was the biggest gap between teammates in the top teams.

In terms of pace, Schumacher destroyed Massa in 2006. I'd say the same about points as well, 121 vs 80 is a massive gap.
 
Autosport made an interesting point in the last issue. Of all Michael Schumacher's team-mates over the years, Massa was the 2nd closest to him on %age points scored in the partnership (Brundle was 1st, for their '92 season at Benetton - he scored just under 72% of the total Schumacher got)

I'm not sure that's right though. I'm not great at Maths, but just quickly working out a few seasons, I come up with:

77% rubens 2004
72% brundle 1992
69% rubens 2003
66% massa 2006

Assuming my maths is right, that doesn't look too good for Massa.
 
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I was reading a thread on 606, on bbc sport. And someone was berating Alonso and bigging up Hamilton, referring to the 2007 Monaco GP, which Alonso won and Hamilton finished 2nd. Another poster came up with a very funny reply, which I thought I would paste on here:

45. At 7:04pm on 04 Feb 2010, nibs wrote:

27. At 2:44pm on 04 Feb 2010, Ginger wrote:

"When Hamilton was called into the pits 6 laps early in Monaco 2007 were they favouring him then?"


"DADDY DADDY THEY DIDN'T LET ME WIN"

What happened?

"DADDY THEY PITTED ME EARLIER THAN ALONSO"

Yes my boy that's because this is what teams normally do in street circuits, they split the risk so that if a SC comes out they don't lose both cars. If the race is under control sometimes they pit a couple of laps earlier to get it out of the way because you risk wrecking your race the longer you stay out. You know that now don't you?

"DADDY THEY PITTED ME EARLY NOT HIM"

But this was the only way you could have won the race, you were second not heavy and some way down the road. They gave you the chance and you had nothing to lose. That's exactly what you had agreed in the briefing wasn't it?

"DADDY THEY ARE FAVOURING ALONSO I AM WITH THEM FOR YEARS AND THEY BETRAYED ME"

Yes but you were 2nd and finished 2nd, if a SC came out you'd have won because of that and Alonso would be out of the podium. And if you'd qualified ahead of him this wouldn't be an issue anyway!"

"DADDY I WAS FASTER THAN ALONSO"

Yes but Alonso opened up 8 seconds in 15 laps, he was only losing in traffic, he had you, easy!

"DADDY THEY ALSO TOLD ME FROM THE RADIO TO SLOW DOWN LATE ON. TEAM ORDERS!"

Yes but that's what always happens in the last stint, teams control the situation to get the 1-2 and not throw it away.

"DADDY I WAS CLOSING HIM DOWN"

Yes that's because Alonso slowed down first the team told him to control the situation, this is what happens, you should have slowed down too not go and stick to his tail for 15 laps, this is unprecedented, now look what you've done. What's the point, what if one of you had an off and you tangled god forbid? Ok Ron and Martin will cover us as they do but what will Alonso be thinking now, he may want to put one over us later on.

"DADDY I WAS ABOUT TO OVERTAKE HIM BUT THEY DIDN'T LET ME"

Overtake YOUR TEAMMATE, who is FASTER than you anyway, IN MONACO of all places, ON THE LAST STINT???

"DADDY......"

Oh ok then. "THEY DIDN'T LET MY BOY WIN! BUUUUUUHUHU"

I wish that poster would sign up to this forum. We could have a lot of fun.
 
In terms of pace, Schumacher destroyed Massa in 2006. I'd say the same about points as well, 121 vs 80 is a massive gap.

"Destroyed" would be Hamilton versus Kovy. Or Schumacher beating Rubens 144 points to 77 in 2002. Massa beat Schumacher to the flag 5 times in 2006, despite being a little bit wayward still.

I swear, some of you on here wouldn't even rate him if he went on to win five ******* titles....

I'm not sure that's right though. I'm not great at Maths, but just quickly working out a few seasons, I come up with:

77% rubens 2004
72% brundle 1992
69% rubens 2003
66% massa 2006

Assuming my maths is right, that doesn't look too good for Massa.

Yeah, but Autosport were taking 2000-2005 as a whole since the Schumacher-Barrichello partnership lasted that time. Add it all up for those years and Rubens doesn't come out of it quite as well. 678 points for Michael versus 412 for Rubens, I make that ~60.7%.
 
Latest weather forecasts suggesting rain showers at Jerez on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. Could be just one day of dry running on Thursday

McLaren-Mercedes

Wednesday: Jenson BUTTON
Thursday: Jenson BUTTON
Friday: Lewis HAMILTON
Saturday: Lewis HAMILTON

Mercedes GP

Wednesday: Nico ROSBERG
Thursday: Michael SCHUMACHER
Friday: Nico ROSBERG
Saturday: Michael SCHUMACHER

Red Bull-Renault

Wednesday: Mark WEBBER
Thursday: Mark WEBBER
Friday: Sebastian VETTEL
Saturday: Sebastian VETTEL

Ferrari

Wednesday: Fernando ALONSO
Thursday: Fernando ALONSO
Friday: Felipe MASSA
Saturday: Felipe MASSA

Sauber-Ferrari

Wednesday: Kamui KOBAYASHI
Thursday: Kamui KOBAYASHI
Friday: Pedro DE LA ROSA
Saturday: Pedro DE LA ROSA

Williams-Cosworth

Wednesday: Nico HÜLKENBERG
Thursday: Nico HÜLKENBERG
Friday: Rubens BARRICHELLO
Saturday: Rubens BARRICHELLO

Renault

Wednesday: Vitaly PETROV
Thursday: Vitaly PETROV
Friday: Robert KUBICA
Saturday: Robert KUBICA

Force India-Mercedes

Wednesday: Vitantonio LIUZZI
Thursday: Vitantonio LIUZZI
Friday: Adrian SUTIL
Saturday: Adrian SUTIL

Toro Rosso-Ferrari

Wednesday: Sébastien BUEMI
Thursday: Sébastien BUEMI
Friday: Jaime ALGUERSUARI
Saturday: Jaime ALGUERSUARI

Virgin-Cosworth

TBC


Not attending:

- Campos-Cosworth
- Lotus-Cosworth
- US F1-Cosworth
 
Testing continue today at Jerez.

Pictures - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/02/10/f1-testing-pictures-10th-february/

Live Timing - http://translate.googleusercontent.....co.uk&usg=ALkJrhjCCW5SwnoZjphd6_7843kmJmfxUA



Mclaren have lots of testing equipment attached to their car today, see pics on link above.

autosport have timings with english commentary http://live.autosport.com/commentary.php/id/174 (i prefer the dutch timings site though as autosport dont tell you how many laps someone has done :rolleyes:)
 
Is there anywhere that gives a list of times on each run? Especially on a day like this the fastest time set is just not that meaningful, unless it stops raining Rosberg will keep the topspot just because he did a quick run in the dry spell. And it tells us nothing about the comparative wet pace.
 
15:57 - The first time Glock was put, a 1:38.734, over 6.5 seconds slower than Button currently running 1:32.2 times.

sounds like both cars were on the track about the same time, not looking good for the new comers.

theres no 127% rule in qualifying anymore is there?
 
To be fair to Glock, that was the first (and only I believe, which is more worrying) fast lap that the Virgin car has ever done...

Give it at least 1 full dry day before thinking about their pace relative to others imo...
 
In a car with no setup (the team doesn't even have last years setups to 'guesstimate' from), with a driver who's never driven the car in anger before, in soaking wet conditions?

The time tells us absolutely nothing about the pace of the Virgin...
 
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