RBR are a top team, from top to bottom.
The up and coming teams in the mid-field, would do well to either emulate & copy what RBR are doing OR better still, to steal some of RBR's key personnel.
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RBR are a top team, from top to bottom.
The up and coming teams in the mid-field, would do well to either emulate & copy what RBR are doing OR better still, to steal some of RBR's key personnel.
I said lasting longer, not the whole race. You'll still need 2/3 sets.
The performance gap between compounds will be smaller too which allows for different strategies.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or can you just not read?
Maybe big text will help you?
I honestly cannot fathom the notion that people believe that the style of the driver and the behaviour of the car have no effect on each other at all and that a driver will perform completely equally regardless of whether the car behaves in a manner in tune with their style or counter to it.
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Last year, there was some races where tyres would comfortably last 66%-75% of the race distance. So, if you told me that the tyres are going to be even more durable, it would not be unreasonable to expect some drivers to make the tyres last the whole race - correct?
You also stated that performance shall be maintained over a longer distance.
If all of the above is true, then it would be almost a dead certainty that Pirelli are heading down the Bridgestone route, ie producing a tyre which lasts the entire race.
Anyway, we just have to wait and see what happens when the season starts. Nobody, even Pirelli, have any concrete idea as to how the tyres will fare. Only after Race1, will Pirelli and the teams have a definitive idea on how the new tyres are performing.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or can you just not read?
Maybe big text will help you?
Kenai, you need to take a chill pill.
Getting so heated over an internet forum, just isn't worth it.
I'm perfectly chilled out but it's still frustrating when someone tries to have a discussion with you but completely ignores what you've actually written in your posts.
I've mentioned several times, very explicitly in order to avoid confusion, that I do not mean that a great driver becomes average because of this. So following that, you immediately respond with 'show me someone else who went from great to average'.
Are you doing it on purpose or are you genuinely struggling to understand?
At the same time, tyes are going to be squirming, so you want smoother driver.
As I said I don't think it'll make any noticable difference.
I said they'd last longer, which is what Pirelli have said.
You've the one who has said they'll last the race distance on one set of tyres; as you've pointed out (in a self-contradictory way) we'll find out when the season starts.
Either way I'm not worried as Pirelli are very much aware of contributing towards the racing spectacle, whereas Bridgestone were solely after perfomance - a hangover from the tyre war days I suspect.
but weve been told the tyres arent blistering like the old ones and the performance doesnt just drop off a cliff.
if you can be agressive without overheating the tyres beeing smoother wont be faster
Even then 98 and 2000 in particular where he best years imo. It's not about becoming average it's about being able to get more out of a particular set of rules and regulations.
It doesn't have to be dramatic as going from WDC to average. Senna certainly struggled with the 1994 Williams coming from Mclaren and that was in a car that should have won the title if Hill could get so close.
Dc got more out Mclaren until 98. It's not massive changes in performances just subtle ones to give one driver more confidence in the car than the other.
When drivers are so closely matched like LH and JB it doesn't take much to tip the balance one season over another imho. For instance I don't think Hamilton dealt with the tyres well last year, but if we were in a 98 scenario of races split into 3 balls out sprint races I doubt very much JB would live with hamilton.
No, but it will save you a pit stop. And ~30 seconds in a pit stop is far more than anyone will be able to make up just by pushing their tyres harder.
And as for the 'drivers adapting their driving style' argument, all the drivers in F1 have come up through many completely different formula's and specification of racing cars, and have been competitive in all of them. The idea that a loss of a little bit of rear down force is going to suddenly throw a number of guys off for long periods is just ridiculous. However, that won't stop the press harping on about it, and people just lapping it up blindly.
I don't think anyone is of the belief it's going to completely throw people off but I think it's a little shortsighted to think that different characteristics in the cars isn't going to play more to some peoples strength than it is others.
No one is going to go from being a front running driver to a midfield hack just because this years car behaves differently but that's not to say that it will have no effect at all and I think the effect is not insignificant.
They're incredibly good drivers but they're still human, they're still going to perform differently in a car that plays to their strengths than they are in one that doesn't. It's that small difference that might set one guy apart from another on a day where otherwise, they're evenly matched.
No one is going to go from being a front running driver to a midfield hack just because this years car behaves differently but that's not to say that it will have no effect at all and I think the effect is not insignificant.
They're incredibly good drivers but they're still human, they're still going to perform differently in a car that plays to their strengths than they are in one that doesn't. It's that small difference that might set one guy apart from another on a day where otherwise, they're evenly matched.
See I'm torn lol,
I prefer Jenson as a person but Lewis as a driver. choices choices
Same here, the two combined....... surely thats vettel? only english.
this is why i dont like to post about technical stuff here and prefer to stick to the f1technical.net forums...
EBD meant a driver had to be either on or off the throttle, some drivers styles before EBD meant they played with the throttle and brakes in the corners to balance the car, with EBD they had to learn not to or it would stop the exhaust beeing blown
if anything EBD took this skill away and made everyone corner in almost exactly the same way much as the crappy rear tyres did.
in 2012 we should see more varied cornering techniques that certain drivers can use to their advantage
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Lotus are looking pretty strong. Fingers crossed 
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I thought the EBD was controlled by the ECU, the driver still used the throttle to balance the car, but rather than change the speed of the engine, to put it very simply, the throttle changed the timing or fuel mixture and hence the torque produced.
The EBD was controlled via the ecu, when the driver was off throttle the engine was opening up the exhaust valves and spitting fuel into the exhaust, or atleast that was my impression of it!
Someone posted up on here last year about webber doing so well in 2010 because he had worked out how to drive the car with a bit of throttle through the corners to get a bit more out of his diffuser, this was Pre-EBD IIRC.
Might be wrong though!
Someone posted up on here last year about webber doing so well in 2010 because he had worked out how to drive the car with a bit of throttle through the corners to get a bit more out of his diffuser, this was Pre-EBD IIRC.
Might be wrong though!
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possibly a dumb question, but is there anything stopping the drivers from setting up their cars to work best for coasting round the corners, then riding the clutch through the corner. that way they could use as much throttle as they wanted through the corner if they had a decent rev limiter
they could even have the engine going at full speed and bring the clutch in slightly to gove them some power through the corners, but im sure they would need a much better clutch if they were going to be effectively riding the clutch for half the lap
they could even have the engine going at full speed and bring the clutch in slightly to gove them some power through the corners, but im sure they would need a much better clutch if they were going to be effectively riding the clutch for half the lap