F1 Testing 2012 - Week 1, Jerez
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Jordan never were in a championship fight were they?
(I remember Hill's win at spa and then ..Frentzen? was it with individaul wins)
Same with BAR, I dont recall them ever being championship contenders - even if JB's victory in Hungary was a great solo effort
- of course Brawn are discounted straight away because of massive rule changes for the 2009 season (so the stipulation of change in ownership is irrelevant lol)
sorry - never meant to imply that you did think that (which is why I put "just out of interest"
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The same reliable journalists who told us that the McLaren was going to to have something "very obvious that would cause a legal battle", or that Kimi had signed for Williams?
Think about it logically, after the 2 years they have had, why would anyone from RBR be in the slightest bit concerened about Mercedes? Especially putting them above Ferrari and McLaren? They just aren't, regardless of what the media says.
Think about it logically, after the 2 years they have had, why would anyone from RBR be in the slightest bit concerened about Mercedes? Especially putting them above Ferrari and McLaren? They just aren't, regardless of what the media says.
Brawn was lucky in 2009.........we all know it.
lucky? lucky honda threw god knows how many hundreds of millions at the team? wasnt honda suposed to have been one of the biggest budget teams at the time and rumoured to be spending more than ferrari?
anyway its not brawn anymore , brawn had a tiny workforce and for the most part completely different staff.
mercedes have hired hundreds of people in 2011 aswell as the big name signings, i'd expect them to have a much better season than last year and to be giving atleast ferrari and mclaren a good challenge.
they knew exactly what was wrong with their car last year aswell so will have found large amounts of performance fairly easily
Just because they know what the problem(s) are , does not imply they can correct it simply (after all they had 8 months to correct it and they didnt)
Ferrari had a horrendous correlation issue between the wind-tunnel and the track, they knew about this I think since reasonably early in the season, but I dont believe they were able to correct it for some time (I dont actually ever remember confirmation that this had been corrected, but Im assuming they managed to do this)
and (in regards to Merc) while they no longer have to find the performance associated with hot/cold blowing, does the issiues they had affect any new design, or is it irradicated immediately due to it being a new design, and does this leave them behind the curve (they are after all one test behind , ie several hundred, maybe even 1000+ miles of running behind RBR, McLaren and Ferrari , already)
For the spectacle of F1 as a whole I would love to see a 4th team right up the front.
But the chances of such a big change, one that has apparently git Newey worried, are slim. As Frank said before, only a handful of teams have made such large steps without assistance from rule changes.
I expect what Newey actually said was something around Merc being the only team left that have the potential to produce something new. They have seen everyone else's car and have ticked them off as not being a threat, they now just have to wait for Merc. Doesn't mean they think they have something up there sleeve, just means they can dismiss them until they have seen the car.
Merc on the other hand might think they have something special, but we shall wait and see.
But the chances of such a big change, one that has apparently git Newey worried, are slim. As Frank said before, only a handful of teams have made such large steps without assistance from rule changes.
I expect what Newey actually said was something around Merc being the only team left that have the potential to produce something new. They have seen everyone else's car and have ticked them off as not being a threat, they now just have to wait for Merc. Doesn't mean they think they have something up there sleeve, just means they can dismiss them until they have seen the car.
Merc on the other hand might think they have something special, but we shall wait and see.
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So it's no more likely to true or false than anything you read in the British media.
I can't see Mercedes having anything massively innovative. I'm talking 1 second or more a lap quicker than anyone else. That's the time when you might skip tests or sandbag etc.
I think Toyota spent the most.
Honda spent a good two years developing what became the Brawn car.
2008 Team budgets
Toyota: $445.6m
McLaren: $433.3m
Ferrari: $414.9m
Honda: $398.1m
Renault: $393.8m
BMW Sauber: $366.8m
Red Bull Racing: $164.7m
Williams: $160.6m
Toro Rosso: $128.2m
Force India: $121.85m
Super Aguri: $45.6m
Source: F1 Fanatic
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homologated chasis they couldnt
the car was to short and the double radiators gave it a high centre of gravity aswell as a bunch of cooling problems.
the car was covered in gills on some weekends, the weekends where it had reasonable pace were the cool weekends where they didnt have to use the gills to stop the car overheating
Surely any budgets listed online, after the F1 teams had reached an agreement to cap budgets, will be fake? I doubt that any team has truly stuck to the budget caps, so much so that RBR were accused (by other teams) in 2010 for spending too much money. At the end of 2011, both Ferrari and RBR officially stated that they were unlikely to be able to keep within the agreed budget limits and so decided to opt-out of that agreement.
Precisely. Missing tests on purpose can only be done if you truly believe that you are head and shoulders above everybody else. This now allows you to play games and not really use the pre-season testing, for what it is intended for. If however, you car is not the fastest, then missing tests on purpose and playing games (sand bagging) can be hugely detrimental to the development of your own car.
I think generally, most teams don't get involved in playing games and merely come along with their own testing schedule, irrespective of what everybody else is doing.
Ferrari seem to think it's important.
http://www.ferrari.com/English/Form...7_F1_Two-days-in-the-simulator-for-Massa.aspx
only because theres massive pressure on ferrari to deliver or a lot of people could be losing jobs soon