F1 Testing 2012 - Week 2, Barcelona
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Especially as it will use a little more fuel as well? Wonder if Mr Nuts can give any insight.
its only acording to some polish blogger though maybe they arent blowing and the slight farting noise is just the vibrations from the exhaust/exhaust cover?
the whole engine noise is different now the exhausrts are shorter and more exposed
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Schumacher is currently on the soft tyres
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Maldonado in the Williams has just set a time almost 3 tenths faster than Massa's qualifying simulation at last year's test, and is faster than 6th place in Q3 at the race last year.
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If they want to assess the effects of chassis/aero changes and compare the results to last years data then it makes sense to equalise as many other variables as possible. If you change too much stuff at once it becomes harder to tell what impact each change is having on your times.
In the case of Mercedes it would make sense for them to have run the new engine map on last years car at the last test (thus giving them good information regarding the changes to the engine), then run the old map with the new car whilst they get a feel for how well the new chassis works.
By the later tests you'd expect them to be running all the new stuff together.
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Erm it's testing, it's impossible to cheat in testing. As you can run whatever spec you like.
Damn straight!
Though I do agree with kaiowas's comment...in any test, you ideally want to change only a few variables (or even just 1 variable) at a time. Otherwise, you end up in Ferrari's situation where you are trying to get baseline readings for too many things with not enough time.
Their ability to be the whiny little kids of F1 can occasionally come in handy
BOL - oh thats definitely sig worthy
sorry if Ive missed something - but what is the difference between where the blown gasses are blown onto if its the mapping itself thats banned? (someone suggested its ok to blow onto the rear wing but not the diffuser, surely its not split like that is it?)
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Well yeah but clearly nobody runs things in testing that are illegal on purpose as that would be pointless, if Red Bull and McLaren are still blowing off throttle then they must be hoping to do so come race day.
Hopefully the FIA sort it out before the season begins if it is true, last year they said the EBD was illegal until they caved under Red Bull and McLaren crying.
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There is no difference, in my quote you posted I was just guessing that there was some ambiguity in the rules.
Renault have stated previously they still do have an off-throttle map which they use to retard the ignition to cool the valves. They could be hobbled if they have to stop this before the first race.
mercedes have one to they have to use hot blowing or the engine gets to cool and shrinks causing a black hole to apear and swallow the earth..
i remember a time when renault didnt cold blow... that was one of the "improvements for reliability" they did to boost the engine power
i remember a time when renault didnt cold blow... that was one of the "improvements for reliability" they did to boost the engine power
the polish blogger who claims this isnt on about specific teams hes on about all the renault engines and all the mercedes engines.
There are no regulatiuons on where the exhaust gasses can blow.
The regulations just specify where the exhaust exits must be, and the angles they must exit at. Within these regulations its then impossible to blow the diffuser. Therefore blown diffusers have been banned by association.
The idea behind the aggressive off throttle engine mappings was to maximise the use of the EBD. With the exhausts moved, removing the EBD, the purpose behind these maps has gone so there is no point in using them. However, rather than just let that be the case, the FIA look to have specifically banned the aggressive off throttle maps too.
However, there is room within the regulations to allow some for of off throttle gas use though the cylinder as a few manufacturers proved they had been doing this for many years and that it was down to increasing reliability of the engines.
Any mappings that mimmic the effect of last years cars in order to blow the rear wing or rear suspension are therefore banned, but minimal blowing in line with what the engines were doing in 2009(ish) for reliability purposes is allowed.
The regulations just specify where the exhaust exits must be, and the angles they must exit at. Within these regulations its then impossible to blow the diffuser. Therefore blown diffusers have been banned by association.
The idea behind the aggressive off throttle engine mappings was to maximise the use of the EBD. With the exhausts moved, removing the EBD, the purpose behind these maps has gone so there is no point in using them. However, rather than just let that be the case, the FIA look to have specifically banned the aggressive off throttle maps too.
However, there is room within the regulations to allow some for of off throttle gas use though the cylinder as a few manufacturers proved they had been doing this for many years and that it was down to increasing reliability of the engines.
Any mappings that mimmic the effect of last years cars in order to blow the rear wing or rear suspension are therefore banned, but minimal blowing in line with what the engines were doing in 2009(ish) for reliability purposes is allowed.
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ok fair enough
I have to admit I cant work this out at work, but thanks for the explanation I will work it all out later
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Caterham are starting to show some good pace with a good run and now fastest time
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Was a timing error - lol