Poll: FA approach Hodgson for England job.

[jakeke]

Being better tactically than Redknapp isn't an achievement though. There's still a massive tactical question mark over Hodgson as the England manager though. He sets teams up to be difficult to beat, not to go out and win games. This is ok for smaller teams because he picks up enough points/wins to get by but it's no coincidence that these tactics have failed when he's made the step up to bigger sides though.

That's all well and good if we're used to England being on the front foot and winning games. The truth is though, any time we come up against a team who isn't technically retarded (I will never forget teams like Algeria and Belarus showing us up) then we do defend for large parts of the game and hardly look like a free flowing side, we are not good, we are in fact quite poor besides a few players. If we become hard to beat at the Euros that's a step up from the World Cup at least.

As I say, I wouldn't have chosen Hodgson as I wouldn't have restricted it to English candidates only.

 

[Malevolence]

If he takes the job, then I'm prepared to give Woy the benefit of the doubt and get behind him (Ooooh Matron).

 

[Tummy]

As I say, I wouldn't have chosen Hodgson as I wouldn't have restricted it to English candidates only.

Agree. I've no idea why the FA decided to do this.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Its such a shame the results of that cannot be seen as public, I imagine there are a few here now talking a different tune to how they voted.

It wouldn't matter, because you would have to assume unbiased voting. I'm fairly sure I voted for Redknapp( I might have actually voted seriously and for someone else though) and that I did so just because some people were so anti Redknapp it would be funny to see his name clearly in the lead, especially against some other mangers certain forum members love who many people likely wanted to vote against.

IE I am CERTAIN that a LOT of people voted for Redknapp to wind up other forum members, not for any serious reason.

On his job with Spurs, it's been far from perfect but for Spurs to be sitting 4th with 3 games to go is a great achievement and like I said last night, it's probably a greater achievement than finishing 4th the other season.

It's absolutely not, they were 13 points ahead of Arsenal, not 5, or 3, but THIRTEEN, and since then Arsenal have thrown away well more than another 13 points. Anything less than third, when 13points ahead with over half the season gone, is shockingly poor. Being 4th last season doesn't have any bearing on if 4th this season is good or not, it simply doesn't. Different teams, hundreds of different players, different managers at some of the same teams. One season is rarely comparable to another, the only thing you can really see is how its absolutely unquestionably certain Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal are all worse than last year, so everyone ahead of Spurs(bar the top two) has jumped out the way, Spurs weren't significantly better than the previous season when they were 13 points ahead of Arsenal, Arsenal were worse. Spurs dropping this many points this half of the season is SPURS being massively insanely worse than last season.

Lastly 4th in the season the top 4 was strong against Spurs was a massively massively more impressive season than this one, it does not matter where Spurs end up this season, 3rd, or 6th, their previous 4th was a much better season than this one.

Dalglish's league form over the last 20 games is worse than Hodgson's was.

Hodgson
P20 W7 D4 L9

Dalglish (last 20 league fixtures)
P20 W6 D5 L9

So is safe to say the cup runs and/or fan loyalty to Dalglish is what is keeping him in a job at the moment? would Liverpool fans be wanting Dalglish out now if Liverpool had not done so well in the domestic cups?

For those that wonder why this is relevant, its pretty simple, the biggest and most obvious "anti Hodgson" lot here are all Liverpool fans, and the vast majority of their "Hodgson is terrible" hinges on how much better Dalglish was doing. The results suggest some very obvious things to unbiased fans(as in, non liverpool fans), Dalglish is doing worse with a team with significant investment, support for the manager, support for the players, support for the new players as the season started. Hodgson had NONE of that.

Non Liverpool fans can very very easily see Hodgson got treated like **** from the second, not that he joined but that his name in relation to Liverpool was mentioned. Yet Dalglish with all the support, money and backing in the world is now doing worse, so Liverpool fans have to decide, Hodgson is rubbish and Dalglish is great, and we'll all laugh at you, Hodgson sucks and Dalglish sucks, at which point we'll all laugh at you for the blind faith you gave one but not the other, or that Hodgson and likely Daglish neither suck anywhere near as much as there are other fundamental problems with the team.

Hodgson isn't nearly as bad as Pool fans think, he's not a truly brilliant manager, he's shown a good ability in cups(in Europe for Liverpool also don't forget), and for Fulham, and for other teams.

 

[Tom84]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18371750

Are football fans this fickle or has something drastic changed? A couple of months ago, nearly 40% of people that voted on here thought Redknapp should be the next England manager and less than 2% voted for Hodgson :/

I cant remember who I voted for on that, I think I went with Pearce though simply because (and I'm still of this opinion) that the long term successor to Capello should be appointed after the Euro's and not before (obviously that's not going to happen though so my opinion on that is fairly moot)

 

[BaZ87]

He has underachieved this season. All top businesses evolve their targets, and when Spurs were 10 points ahead of Arsenal their targets will have consisted of pushing for 2nd. Not scrapping for 4th with similar form to Wolves.

So he massively overachieved for the first 6 months of the season and then underachieved for 2 months. Overall that's a pretty big overachievement if you ask me.

When he managed Switzerland at their peak, FIFA ranked Hodgson's Switzerland number three in the world.

Took Blackburn Rovers and led them to sixth in Premier League and qualification for Europe.

I'll take your word for the FIFA ranking but that's some achievement to given that all he actually done was get them to the knock out stages of the 94 World Cup.

And getting Blackburn to 6th with the squad they had wasn't an achievement. They won the League 2 seasons earlier and he had an incredibly costly Blackburn squad last in the League when he was finally sacked.

Trail by media is okay then?

Undermining the next England manager is okay then?

Cool, pleased we cleared that up Baz.

No, maybe disgusting was maybe the wrong lexical choice, but I think it's pretty poor of the press to basically trail by media over the next England manager. They've set their stall out, and they're annoyed that their man didn't get the job.

Do you think the media fap fest over 'Arry being the 'right' (in the eyes of the press) man for the job was detremental to whomever got the job?.

It's the press's job to report on news and give opinions on things. Sometimes they can cross the line but I've not seen or heard anything that's come remotely close to that.

Would you be happier if everybody came out and said what a great appointment Hodgson is and he's going to lead us to glory? Would that make you feel better?

Awesome. A poll on a hardware forums sport section is indicitive of the great British public's opinion

A poll of nearly 350 in a football sub-forum with nearly 40% in favour of 1 person and less than 2% in favour of another is pretty telling.

What would these three jobs above mediocrity be?

Inter, Blackburn and Liverpool.

Yes you are, almost by not wanting Woy to get the job.

I've said for yonks that Spurs have under achieved and 'Arry should have done better with what was available to him, didn't see you comment before? I had a few spurs fans on here agree with me. Spurs were more then capable of maintaining a top 2 challenge and should really of had third wrapped up easily. 'Triffic 'Arry has done marvels hasn't he.

I know you like to try but you can't tell me my own opinions Tummy. No, I'm not pushing for Redknapp as England manager. I've always said that I don't think he should be England manager. Stating that he's better than Hodgson does not mean that I think he should be England manager.

And to say that Spurs should be maintaining a Top 2 challenge with the resources available to them compared to teams around them is ridiculous. For them to finish 4th with that taken into account is more than an achievement.

 

[MooMoo444]

I cant remember who I voted for on that, I think I went with Pearce though simply because (and I'm still of this opinion) that the long term successor to Capello should be appointed after the Euro's and not before (obviously that's not going to happen though so my opinion on that is fairly moot)

The one you voted for is italics.

 

[jakeke]

Considering finances, Newcastle are doing ridiculous, Spurs, not so much ..

 

[Tom84]

The one you voted for is italics.

so it is

Yep I did vote for Pearce

 

[Admiral Huddy]

Agree. I've no idea why the FA decided to do this.

Maybe they felt that their was a communication problems between Fabio, the team and coaching staff that they didn't want repeated.

I can't argue with anything you've said above, in particular with Spurs underachieving and not making a serious challenge for the top 2. If I'm honest, I'm quite annoyed that both Harry and the board allowed the slump to happen. If 'Arry was worth his worth, then he would have taken what he had and each game as it came rather than sticking to the same game play. Instead it was a run then emulated our start a few season back, for which Ramos was sacked.

 

[BaZ87]

England are a 'smaller' team though?

England don't have the sort of players / squad to *really* be challenging for the European championship or World Cups?

England should be setting themselves up to be difficult to beat and organised, not some attacking flair team because that's beyond the capabilites of our players at International level.

We're not capable now but we should be aiming to be a side that is capable in the future.

If we write off the Euros then we should be appointing somebody with a long-term view of making us capable, not settling for mediocrity in the short-term.

 

[BaZ87]

I can't argue with anything you've said above, in particular with Spurs underachieving and not making a serious challenge for the top 2. If I'm honest, I'm quite annoyed that both Harry and the board allowed the slump to happen. If 'Arry was worth his worth, then he would have taken what he had and each game as it came rather than sticking to the same game play. Instead it was a run then emulated our start a few season back, for which Ramos was sacked.

Looking at your squad, do you really think it's realistic to expect Spurs to challenge beyond where you are now? Your slump was fairly predictable, you weren't able to rotate/rest players throughout the season (like teams around you did) without seriously damaging the strength of your first 11. The bulk of your side played week in week out and it's no surprise that they've dropped off towards the end of the season, especially if you believe (like I do) that you were playing beyond your capability to begin with.

 

[DiCe!]

We're not capable now but we should be aiming to be a side that is capable in the future.

If we write off the Euros then we should be appointing somebody with a long-term view of making us capable, not settling for mediocrity in the short-term.

AVB!?!?!?!?!?

 

[DiCe!]

Looking at your squad, do you really think it's realistic to expect Spurs to challenge beyond where you are now? Your slump was fairly predictable, you weren't able to rotate/rest players throughout the season (like teams around you did) without seriously damaging the strength of your first 11. The bulk of your side played week in week out and it's no surprise that they've dropped off towards the end of the season, especially if you believe (like I do) that you were playing beyond your capability to begin with.

If we hadnt sent all our players out on loan then yes I think we could have.

Corluka on loan
not using GDS
Redknap hating Pav

Thats what killed us.

 

[BaZ87]

You had to send those players out on loan because you couldn't afford to keep the squad you had the previous season without the CL money.

 

[Tom84]

If we hadnt sent all our players out on loan then yes I think we could have.

Corluka on loan
not using GDS
Redknap hating Pav

Thats what killed us.

I cant see either of those players making a difference to Spurs, not when they're both ****

 

[DiCe!]

You had to send those players out on loan because you couldn't afford to keep the squad you had the previous season without the CL money.

Bassong to wolves - Fine he is **** - Rather we sold him
Sell Gomes if were not going to use him
Dont buy Pienar
Keep Andros Townsend as a winger backup rather than playing VDV on the right wing or use GDS
Use Kranjcar in place for Modric so he gets some rest!
Rotate Parker with Sandro/Livermore against lower table sides
Sell Bongani Khumalo - Most useless signing ever
Sell Bentley and Jenas rather than loan them out.
Corluka to stay as backup for walker and CB's rather than buying Nelsen


Would save us money, allow us to rotate and stop stupid signings over jan, freeing up space for signings we desperately needed like a right winger.

 

[kmufc77]

Some clueless posts in this thread regarding RH, mostly Liverpool fans no doubt

The Media are also clueless.

If you look at RH managerial record compared to Arthur Daley's there is no comparison.

 

[DiCe!]

I cant see either of those players making a difference to Spurs, not when they're both ****

Not the best players admittedly, however Pav was instrumental in us getting 4th, he scored a lot of goals for us
GDS would allow us to keep our shape rather than using VDV on the wing which is pointless.

Or sell GDS aswell and bring in a right winger.

the right wing is so important to us and it killed us when lennon got injured.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

So I didn't dream this last night?