Poll: FA approach Hodgson for England job.

[Tummy]

Dalglish's league form over the last 20 games is worse than Hodgson's was.

Hodgson
P20 W7 D4 L9

Dalglish (last 20 league fixtures)
P20 W6 D5 L9

So is safe to say the cup runs and/or fan loyalty to Dalglish is what is keeping him in a job at the moment? would Liverpool fans be wanting Dalglish out now if Liverpool had not done so well in the domestic cups?

What's this got to do with the England job?

 

[BaZ87]

The press bandwagon argument is reasonable but applies just as much to Hodgson (debating the merits of winning the Swedish league).

As simple as the debate between the two can be put, Hodgson has left being "head coach" of West Brom when Redknapp would have left being "manager" of Spurs.

England need a "head coach", someone who can mould and train the team into as team that might actually do something sensible, not a manager who will just pick the team and shout when it doesn't work.

Redknapp's track record of being a football manager (in the last 10 years or so at least) is use his reputation to buy players of a reputation to fill a role (regardless of financial constraints). He must know that the way Spurs is set up means for the rest of his career no one will find out that he doesn't really know what he's doing (other than playing champ manager 02, real life edition).

Hodgson is the type of manager who, at very least, will have some understanding to make the most of what he has and try and get the best out of them (even if he doesn't have a huge amount of charisma)

I've read this a couple of times and I'm not really sure what you're saying other than Redknapp simply buys players and shouts, where as Hodgson deals with what he has and gets the best out of them?

There's no denying that Redknapp likes a deal but there's more to him than that. The one thing you're saying Hodgson will do, imo, is Redknapp's biggest strength and something he will do far better than Hodgson. Redknapp's a man manager and gets the best out of players. You only have to look at Spurs to see that. Tactically he's not great and ironically his record in the transfer market is hardly the greatest either but he gets players to play for him.

I'm really not sure what Hodgson would offer to England.

 

[Tummy]

Also, this isn't aimed at anyone in particular.

I've no idea why the next England manager has to be English, I'd rather bring in the best available manager for a long term project.

 

[BaZ87]

I've given you an example, the match of the day discussion from the previous evening. Dismissing Woy before he's given the job, saying that 'Arry was the obvious / correct choice. The viewers watching these shows are huge, they of course infleunce public opinion.

The press for a long time have put their stall out saying 'Arry is the right man for the job, of course, undermineing whomever gets the job and making their life / job even more difficult then it already will be.

This is acceptable from the press though?

People talk about 'trial' by media and it being unfair, yet this is what's happened here and it's okay because that's what the press should do?

This is what was said on MOTD2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17890490

Again, are you for real? That's Hodgson being slated?

There's a very big difference between giving an opinion on something and slating/being disgusting. The general feeling was (rightly or wrongly, or whether me or you agreed with it or not) that Redknapp was the best candidate and would get the job. You only have to look at the link I posted around the time Capello was sacked to see that. Stating that you think Redknapp was the best candidate and your suprise that it's going to Hodgson is not disgusting. Get a grip.

Why? You're views are set in stone, they won't change. You're unable to look at this from an unbaised point of view after what he's done at Liverpool.

Come on Tummy, give it a go. Give a logical reason why Hodgson's the right man to manager England. I'm starting to think you can't and as I said, you were just saying things for effect earlier.

I've given a reasoned argument as to why I don't think Hodgson should get the job.

 

[mmj_uk]

What's this got to do with the England job?

Just pointing out that Woy's 'failure' at Liverpool has been recently repeated by King Kenny and yet the fans are still 100% behind him.

What if Liverpool had lost the cup final on penalties? would fans have turned against Kenny by now like they did Hodgson? I doubt it.

 

[BaZ87]

Just pointing out that Woy's 'failure' at Liverpool has been recently repeated by King Kenny.

Only if you look at one section of Dalglish's time here. We're not a few points off the relegation zone like we were under Hodgson, we have won one trophy and in the final of another, and we are playing much better football though.

Not that it has anything to do with this thread but yes, despite that our league form still isn't acceptable.

 

[Tummy]

I'm sorry, where is anything that was said there productive to the new England manager?

Where is it acceptable to undermine the new manager?

Where is it acceptable to have a trail by media of the new England manager?

No, the general feeling of the press was that 'Arry was the right man for the job, they then ask England players if they think 'Arry is good enough blah blah, you're not going to get England players say something detremental about (potentionally) the future England coach.

Why Hodgeson should get the England job?

Easy, proven manager and has experience at International level and around Europe.

Reason why 'Arry should get the job? Plays golf with the pundits who talk about him and has ties to the people who write about him. He's underacheived with Spurs, they've been dire for a while now, he's tactically inept and avoids ciriticsm due to connections to the media. 'Arry's a good man manager, but nothing more, his over reliance on his coaches to basically do his job tells you a lot.

 

[Stretch]

Dalglish's league form over the last 20 games is worse than Hodgson's was.

Hodgson
P20 W7 D4 L9

Dalglish (last 20 league fixtures)
P20 W6 D5 L9

So is safe to say the cup runs and/or fan loyalty to Dalglish is what is keeping him in a job at the moment? would Liverpool fans be wanting Dalglish out now if Liverpool had not done so well in the domestic cups?

I'd say the cup runs count for something but the real reason I'm still happy for Dalglish to stay in charge is the team still want to play for him and the performances (if not results) show this to be the case. The problems we have are very specific and I'm sure they'll be addressed over the summer. Hodgson on the other had showed little idea of where he was going and looked extreamly out of his depth.

 

[jakeke]

Hodgson is a better tactician than Redknapp and that's vital at international football level where you need to quickly establish what you need to do, and be able to carry it out on the training pitch in the space of days not years. As I'm sure we're all aware, top level football needs more than somebody to put their arm round your shoulder and say 'get out there and give it your best son' - that's the current problem with our coaches and subsequently our younger, technically tragic players.

We tried the Harry Redknapp, man manager, mates with the lads approach with Kevin Keegan and it would be exactly as disastrous this time

 

[Tummy]

Just pointing out that Woy's 'failure' at Liverpool has been recently repeated by King Kenny and yet the fans are still 100% behind him.

What if Liverpool had lost the cup final on penalties? would fans have turned against Kenny by now like they did Hodgson? I doubt it.

Without wanting to take this off topic.

Dalgish is getting a much easier ride from the Liverpool fans despite a very poor season, considering money spent.

 

[pingwing]

I've read this a couple of times and I'm not really sure what you're saying other than Redknapp simply buys players and shouts, where as Hodgson deals with what he has and gets the best out of them?

There's no denying that Redknapp likes a deal but there's more to him than that. The one thing you're saying Hodgson will do, imo, is Redknapp's biggest strength and something he will do far better than Hodgson. Redknapp's a man manager and gets the best out of players. You only have to look at Spurs to see that. Tactically he's not great and ironically his record in the transfer market is hardly the greatest either but he gets players to play for him.

I'm really not sure what Hodgson would offer to England.

Not sure I presented it right.

I see Redknapp as someone who likes classic football manager, everyone has a set ability/things they can do, and it is up to the manager to get the best/cheapest deals. Then everything else just happens. I don't like his constant use of the media as I don't think he really gives the time to get the best from his players, that's someone else's job at the club. From my eyes he's the man to press space bar a lot and take the credit.

Hodgson has a better record (at least in the prem) of turning up to clubs and trying to get the best of what he's inherited (some transfers like all prem managers but nothing like buying your old players off the last team you managed). For that alone there's a vague chance he'll be able to do something useful with the England team as the national team just needs some basic training and tactical discipline to look better than the last 8 years of dross.

 

[BaZ87]

I'm sorry, where is anything that was said there productive to the new England manager?

Where is it acceptable to undermine the new manager?

Where is it acceptable to have a trail by media of the new England manager?

You seem to be having difficulty understanding the job of the press. They don't work for the FA. Their job is to report and in the case of pundits on MOTD or opinion pieces in newspapers, give their opinion on things.

Somebody giving their opinion that they are surprised that Hodgson is getting the job and stating that they believe that Redknapp was the best man for the job is not disgusting.

No, the general feeling of the press was that 'Arry was the right man for the job, they then ask England players if they think 'Arry is good enough blah blah, you're not going to get England players say something detremental about (potentionally) the future England coach.

If the poll we had on here the other month was anything to go by then Redknapp wasn't just the media's choice but he was the supporters choice too and our poll wasn't restricted to English managers either.

Why Hodgeson should get the England job?

Easy, proven manager and has experience at International level and around Europe.

Reason why 'Arry should get the job? Plays golf with the pundits who talk about him and has ties to the people who write about him. He's underacheived with Spurs, they've been dire for a while now, he's tactically inept and avoids ciriticsm due to connections to the media. 'Arry's a good man manager, but nothing more, his over reliance on his coaches to basically do his job tells you a lot.

What's Hodgson proven? That he can win in Scandinavia and that he failed the 3 times he's been given a job that's had expectations above mediocrity?

And again to make this as clear as possible, I'm not pushing Redknapp for the job. He is a very good man manager though but to say that he's underachieved at Spurs is nothing short of ridiculous. They're 4th in the League for crying out loud.

 

[DiCe!]

it would be harsh to say he hasn't done well for spurs, because he has. we have a tough possibility of getting cl football again because of him and he hasn't actually spent as much as some may think, he has worked well with what he has been given, even if he maybe could've gone about it better.

they said on MOTD2 that the FA would be looking at over £10m to get redknapp from spurs. is that such a drastic figure if one looks at what the FA threw at capello?

what is worth remembering, is just how actual tactics are down to redknapp? he has a fairly big group of people behind him; sherwood, ferdinand, allen, jordan, bond and a GK coach. is he just a front man?

should we be 4th? probably. the league is fairly accurate. could newcastle or chelsea deserve 4th just as much as us? absoloutely.

the tactics, the lack of rotation, the lack of investment after christmas is what scuppered us. i don't know if redknapp can be 'blamed' for taking us as far as he can when we don't splash the cash on fee's or wages like other cl veterans.

if redknapp does stay, levy needs to get into lewis/ENIC ear and get some investment in though a lot of this rides on the new stadium.

we've been in a similar position before with jol. jol got us a taste of european football for the first time in ages. things didn't work out as berba and keane left (didn't work out too well for either of them tbf - i'm seeing a pattern may form here for modric and bale) and levy thought we needed a new manager with more experience and brought in ramos and we all know how that went.

as a spurs fan, i just want a manager who will build a team, over 5-10 yrs. redknapp is maybe too old to do this. i don't want moyes, or rogers but the person i would want (pep, mourinho) would never come and i'm dreaming if i think they would.

Martinez

 

[jakeke]

He has underachieved this season. All top businesses evolve their targets, and when Spurs were 10 points ahead of Arsenal their targets will have consisted of pushing for 2nd. Not scrapping for 4th with similar form to Wolves.

 

[j0s]

What's Hodgson proven? That he can win in Scandinavia and that he failed the 3 times he's been given a job that's had expectations above mediocrity?

When he managed Switzerland at their peak, FIFA ranked Hodgson's Switzerland number three in the world.

Took Blackburn Rovers and led them to sixth in Premier League and qualification for Europe.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

I'm pretty sure the Dons can show us who voted for who.

I could but then it would show you voted Graham Taylor

 

[Tummy]

You seem to be having difficulty understanding the job of the press. They don't work for the FA. Their job is to report and in the case of pundits on MOTD or opinion pieces in newspapers, give their opinion on things.

Trail by media is okay then?

Undermining the next England manager is okay then?

Cool, pleased we cleared that up Baz.

Somebody giving their opinion that they are surprised that Hodgson is getting the job and stating that they believe that Redknapp was the best man for the job is not disgusting.

No, maybe disgusting was maybe the wrong lexical choice, but I think it's pretty poor of the press to basically trail by media over the next England manager. They've set their stall out, and they're annoyed that their man didn't get the job.

Do you think the media fap fest over 'Arry being the 'right' (in the eyes of the press) man for the job was detremental to whomever got the job?

If the poll we had on here the other month was anything to go by then Redknapp wasn't just the media's choice but he was the supporters choice too and our poll wasn't restricted to English managers either.

Awesome. A poll on a hardware forums sport section is indicitive of the great British public's opinion

What's Hodgson proven? That he can win in Scandinavia and that he failed the 3 times he's been given a job that's had expectations above mediocrity?

What would these three jobs above mediocrity be?

And again to make this as clear as possible, I'm not pushing Redknapp for the job. He is a very good man manager though but to say that he's underachieved at Spurs is nothing short of ridiculous. They're 4th in the League for crying out loud.

Yes you are, almost by not wanting Woy to get the job.

I've said for yonks that Spurs have under achieved and 'Arry should have done better with what was available to him, didn't see you comment before? I had a few spurs fans on here agree with me. Spurs were more then capable of maintaining a top 2 challenge and should really of had third wrapped up easily. 'Triffic 'Arry has done marvels hasn't he.

 

[BaZ87]

Hodgson is a better tactician than Redknapp and that's vital at international football level where you need to quickly establish what you need to do, and be able to carry it out on the training pitch in the space of days not years. As I'm sure we're all aware, top level football needs more than somebody to put their arm round your shoulder and say 'get out there and give it your best son' - that's the current problem with our coaches and subsequently our younger, technically tragic players.

We tried the Harry Redknapp, man manager, mates with the lads approach with Kevin Keegan and it would be exactly as disastrous this time

Being better tactically than Redknapp isn't an achievement though. There's still a massive tactical question mark over Hodgson as the England manager though. He sets teams up to be difficult to beat, not to go out and win games. This is ok for smaller teams because he picks up enough points/wins to get by but it's no coincidence that these tactics have failed when he's made the step up to bigger sides though.

 

[DiCe!]

Being better tactically than Redknapp isn't an achievement though. There's still a massive tactical question mark over Hodgson as the England manager though. He sets teams up to be difficult to beat, not to go out and win games. This is ok for smaller teams because he picks up enough points/wins to get by but it's no coincidence that these tactics have failed when he's made the step up to bigger sides though.

No one at Liverpool backed him though did they. It was a shock when he got the job and people thought/hoped/wanted him to flop.

Also England are not "a big team" we are not spain, Barcelona, Germany.

We need to be hard to beat because we are not full of attacking flair.

 

[Tummy]

Being better tactically than Redknapp isn't an achievement though. There's still a massive tactical question mark over Hodgson as the England manager though. He sets teams up to be difficult to beat, not to go out and win games. This is ok for smaller teams because he picks up enough points/wins to get by but it's no coincidence that these tactics have failed when he's made the step up to bigger sides though.

England are a 'smaller' team though?

England don't have the sort of players / squad to *really* be challenging for the European championship or World Cups?

England should be setting themselves up to be difficult to beat and organised, not some attacking flair team because that's beyond the capabilites of our players at International level.