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This is the RAM I used with my 5800X3D.
Will test out that NUMA stuff tonight I managed to get a few more FPS by enabling the game bar - will try to remember to grab some new screenshots.
So, in terms of overall, that gets you slot #48 but compared to other Zen3 CPUs it is pretty good:
So that's better than some 5800X3Ds even with similar memory. Not that far away from some of the non-3D Zen 4's (well we only have a few of those but 7600X and 7800X should hit around the 80% of max - where max is a moving target everytime someone scores higher than the previous highest!).
Anyway, for those on AM4 (like me) the 5700X3D seems like a good value upgrade for FO4 (and presumably Skyrim SE/AE).
While we wait for Zen 5 Ryzen (especially 9800X3D) and ADL results, I though I'd see how Fallout 2024 (v1.10.984.0) performs like vs previous (v1.10.163.0).
I recently updated to a used RX 6800 from my RTX 3050 which should see a bit of a regression here (but hey, 16GB vs 8GB is great for Skyrim modlists at 1440P with ones like Nolvus stating 12GB+ for 1440P).
Now, 55.9 / 57.9 is about 96.5% so a loss of 3.5% or so.
Would need a larger sample size and more CPUs to be give a more definite conclusion.
While we wait for Zen 5 Ryzen (especially 9800X3D) and ADL results, I though I'd see how Fallout 2024 (v1.10.984.0) performs like vs previous (v1.10.163.0).
I recently updated to a used RX 6800 from my RTX 3050 which should see a bit of a regression here (but hey, 16GB vs 8GB is great for Skyrim modlists at 1440P with ones like Nolvus stating 12GB+ for 1440P).
Now, 55.9 / 57.9 is about 96.5% so a loss of 3.5% or so.
Would need a larger sample size and more CPUs to be give a more definite conclusion.
At those framerates, I wonder if the benchmark is hitting a GPU limit? Only way to tell would be if some bought a 4090 to go with their 9800X3D... Which is enough to buy a car.
At those framerates, I wonder if the benchmark is hitting a GPU limit? Only way to tell would be if some bought a 4090 to go with their 9800X3D... Which is enough to buy a car.
The benchmark runs at 480P (hence the advice to turn down the desktop resolution so you can see what's going on) so it is as far removed from being GPU bound as is possible.
Which is not too say that ultra low resolution is the only way to benchmark CPU gaming performance as some graphic settings do increase CPU usage, and not just the obvious ones - like actor render distance in these Bethesda games - even some visual settings and certainly raytracing setup (think of current raytracing GPUs still being in the pre T&L GPU days).
Anyway for Fallout and Skyrim (and possible Starfield), this is as good as we can bench ATM.
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SHA256 should be:
f2d09283642b85a4af11580adcefaf850e26e0f9fdc1f94ace5b8316b51225ba
Those are the files I send to @themontanio in post #342 above. Ini and saves are the ones we should use. For the ENB version there may be a newer one, but I don't think it matters much.
Okay, that gets you spots #26 (about 75% of the top scores), and #56 (about 58% of the top scores):
Let me find all those who have posted both GeForce and Radeon results:
And averages of both:
I know you are the ITX person, but the extra £45 I would have got the 9070 XT with the expectation that its power could be tamed far closer to the plain 9070 with a bit of tweaking.
Ah, I think TPU's database may have the answer: Sapphire PULSE RX 9070: 280 mm/11 inches, 2x HDMI 2x DisplayPort Sapphire PULSE RX 9070 XT: 320 mm/12.6 inches, Triple-slot, 2x HDMI 2x DisplayPort
Still, aside from size of the coolers, the plain 9070 is priced not to sell!
Well, not really.
We have consistently found Nvidia's drivers can get more drawcalls in Bethesda games.
Causes? Who knows, but may even be that because Nvidia's drivers are more CPU intensive, that for these games whatever they do with those CPU cycles (maybe re-ordering GPU instructions etc.) may be to an advantage?
Adding some ratios:
So, yes @CAT-THE-FIFTH your latest results do look worse than usual for Radeon vs GeForce.
Somehow my (slow) results with my stock R5 3600 have he best ratio but since they are all slow it may not be relevant!
The RX9070XT was around £50 more and I got what I could get. In terms of price/performance it's not massive ahead - around 10% plus the need for a bigger PSU. The performance/watt of the RX9070XT is not great and the coolers are massive. Even the Pulse is enormous despite being one of the smaller cards - it's about 1.5X the size of my RTX3060TI FE despite only 20W more board power. It's also larger than my RX5600XT Pulse.
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TBF,the second rung cards interested me more:
1.)9500 PRO instead of 9700 PRO
2.)7900GS instead of 7900GT
3.)X1900
3.)HD4830 of HD4850/HD4870
4.)HD5850 instead of HD5870
5.)RX470 instead of RX480
6.)RTX3060TI instead of RTX3070
I really don't like cards over 300W,or even 250W due to heat and noise.
The only RX9070XT I was after was the Powercolor Reaper RX9070XT and it had half the RRP stock of the Sapphire RX9070XT Pulse. My current case cannot take a 3 slot card unless very small,so the only cards at RRP which I could get which would fit were:
1.)The Sapphire RX9070 Pulse which is the shortest RX9070 series card but 2.5 slots
2.)The Powercolor RX9070/RX9070XT Pulse which are longer but 2 slots
However,I could only get an RX9070 Pulse at RRP,not any of the others. I couldn't get a Powercolor card at 2pm but managed to put the Pulse in my basket and it eventually took me 2.5 hours to complete the purchase.
OcUK dropped a few cards at 10pm,but I was not sure I could buy two RRP cards and the stock lasted two to three minutes. I almost managed to the RX9070XT Reaper but decided not to bother.
Moreover,I wouldn't want to run an RX9070XT off an SF600 PSU. I already know,how much my RTX3060TI system runs at the wall(around 300W to 330W) with an Ryzen 7 5700X. Someone here with a Powercolor RX9070XT Hellhound and a Ryzen 7 5700X said they got a power draw of 426W at the wall!!
The PSU would be running at 2/3 it's rated capacity and the RX9070 cards do have spikier power looking at the reviews.
The reality is I would need to get an SF750/SF850 and that would be around £150 to £170.
Also undervolting the RX9070XT would need me to drop power closer to 250W and the issue,it's hard to say whether it would be massively ahead of the RX9070 at that sort of power. The issue is if got a card which didn't undervolt well,I would need to power limit the card which would drop performance.
The RX9070 could be pushed upto that power and also tweaked.
@KompuKare What does the entire list like so I could update the OP?
My results might be not the best because my install is a Fallout:London install with some mods installed,which I jerryrigged for this test.
Also my Ryzen 7 7800X3D is in eco-mode with an undervolted and I could get 6400MHZ RAM to run stably for more than a few weeks,so just whacked it down to 6000MHZ with no tweaking.
When I have some time,I could try a clean install of Fallout 4 to see what performance is like.
In some other games like Monster Hunter World,I have over a doubling of performance.
@CAT-THE-FIFTH Makes sense. Before I got the 6800 at an okay price, I was looking at used 6900XT with a view to undervolting them but always afraid of those spikes.
Software undervolting is one thing but I'd be constantly worried that some new driver would get it to spike and kill my PSU. Firmware voltage modding is something miners used to do but with signed firmware, I am not sure whether it could be 100% reliable either.
I'll PM you the spreadsheet. The whole list is so big that even on QHD it requires such zooming out that it is almost unreadable
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