Far Cry 6 GPU performance not bad at all but is severely bottlenecked by CPU

[TNA]

Since its conspiracy time.... Maybe it was intentional from Nvidia to gimp their cards VRAM last year so they could get people to upgrade earlier.

We already know Nvidia play dirty anyway, that is not exactly breaking news. As for what you are saying, I thought it was settled that had they put more vram they would have just increased the cost of the cards? I am happy they went this route. I will be jumping on next gen cards anyway and so far vram has not been much of an issue at 10gb a year on. This is like the first game some people might actually want to play where using HD textures causes it to go over 10GB at 4K. Not exactly a big deal.

By the time we start needing more vram on a regular basis no one will be talking about these cards as we will be on next gen ones. If you are the type that only upgrades every 5-10 years then you should have gone with a 6800XT or 3090. Simples.

 

[Jay85]

I would be more inclined to believe this. Either upgrade earlier or persuade to buy a 3090 instead lol

The upgrade path requires another £400 or so for a 3080ti unless you jump ship to AMD in which case you're pretty solid!

 

[_Cereal_]

We already know Nvidia play dirty anyway, that is not exactly breaking news. As for what you are saying, I thought it was settled that had they put more vram they would have just increased the cost of the cards? I am happy they went this route. I will be jumping on next gen cards anyway and so far vram has not been much of an issue at 10gb a year on. This is like the first game some people might actually want to play where using HD textures causes it to go over 10GB at 4K. Not exactly a big deal.

By the time we start needing more vram on a regular basis no one will be talking about these cards as we will be on next gen ones. If you are the type that only upgrades every 5-10 years then you should have gone with a 6800XT or 3090. Simples.

Not disagreeing, cost/performance nothing comes close to the 3080 FE on the UK market, only sold mine months ago because a pawn shop was paying silly amount of money for it but I was 100% happy with it, then again I am the kinda person that will lower settings when/if needed without batting an eye.

 

[TNA]

Not disagreeing, cost/performance nothing comes close to the 3080 FE on the UK market, only sold mine months ago because a pawn shop was paying silly amount of money for it but I was 100% happy with it, then again I am the kinda person that will lower settings when/if needed without batting an eye.

Same here. Sold mine for over £1600 to CEX and then got a 3070. I also do not mind tweaking settings. These days in most games there is hardly a big difference between High, Very High and Ultra anyways.

 

[Nexus18]

We already know Nvidia play dirty anyway, that is not exactly breaking news. As for what you are saying, I thought it was settled that had they put more vram they would have just increased the cost of the cards? I am happy they went this route. I will be jumping on next gen cards anyway and so far vram has not been much of an issue at 10gb a year on. This is like the first game some people might actually want to play where using HD textures causes it to go over 10GB at 4K. Not exactly a big deal.

By the time we start needing more vram on a regular basis no one will be talking about these cards as we will be on next gen ones. If you are the type that only upgrades every 5-10 years then you should have gone with a 6800XT or 3090. Simples.

Not to mention, substantially better ray tracing performance, suspect people will be upgrading for that more than vram reasons I also wonder if RDNA 3 offers the same RT perf. increase as going to ampere from turing did, if people will still give **** to turing owners who did the same with ampere for the same reasons

I still say wait and see what the situation is with fc 6 after a few patches

 

[Jay85]

Not to mention, substantially better ray tracing performance, suspect people will be upgrading for that more than vram reasons I also wonder if RDNA 3 offers the same RT perf. increase as going to ampere from turing did, if people will still give **** to turing owners who did the same with ampere for the same reasons

I still say wait and see what the situation is with fc 6 after a few patches

I remember watch dogs Legion being the same, after a big patch my FPS got a huge boost and stuttering was basically non existent... unfortunately by that time i had already completed the game and was done with it , good going!

 

[_Cereal_]

Not to mention, substantially better ray tracing performance, suspect people will be upgrading for that more than vram reasons I also wonder if RDNA 3 offers the same RT perf. increase as going to ampere from turing did, if people will still give **** to turing owners who did the same with ampere for the same reasons

I still say wait and see what the situation is with fc 6 after a few patches

Personally I am hoping that Nvidia sorts out their CPU overhead drivers problem, there are some games where GPU usage from the Nvidia side should be higher if it wasnt for that.

 

[Nexus18]

I remember watch dogs Legion being the same, after a big patch my FPS got a huge boost and stuttering was basically non existent... unfortunately by that time i had already completed the game and was done with it , good going!

Yup there have been a lot of examples from the past with these exact same issues, which were fixed so it be silly to not think the same could very well happen here.

People clearly don't remember all the texture and stuttering issues, which plagued FC 3 too

Personally I am hoping that Nvidia sorts out their CPU overhead drivers problem, there are some games where GPU usage from the Nvidia side should be higher if it wasnt for that.

Sadly don't think nvidia can fix that as seems more a hardware limitation. Was why I had to upgrade my 2600 to a 5600x as I wasn't getting anywhere near the perf. I should have been even at 3440x1440 and 4k.

 

[_Cereal_]

Yup there have been a lot of examples from the past with these exact same issues, which were fixed so it be silly to not think the same could very well happen here.

People clearly don't remember all the texture and stuttering issues, which plagued FC 3 too



Sadly don't think nvidia can fix that as seems more a hardware limitation. Was why I had to upgrade my 2600 to a 5600x as I wasn't getting anywhere near the perf. I should have been even at 3440x1440 and 4k.

yeah, had same problem back then with a 3600 , 5600x made a noticeable difference unlike most sites were reporting back then.

 

[Grim5]

Nvidia can fix its driver overhead issues by implementing a hardware scheduler on its next GPUs.

everything is using or moving towards hardware scheduling. AMD GPUs use a hardware scheduler, Intels new cpus use a hardware scheduler, AMD's future Zen 5 cpus will probably use a hardware scheduler. Basically Nvidia needs to catch up with the rest of the industry

 

[Shaz12]

Since its conspiracy time.... Maybe it was intentional from Nvidia to gimp their cards VRAM last year so they could get people to upgrade earlier.

I doubt that. Nvidia has always been stingy with VRAM and this has never really changed. The 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti both had 11GB VRAM and the 3080 Ti had a minor bump to 12GB. I don’t think the 3080 Super to be released next year will have more vram than the 3080. They can’t allow the Super to undercut the Ti at a lower price so it will still be 10GB. Otherwise the price of the card would be jacked up and it wouldn’t be competitive with the 6800 XT

 

[varkanoid]

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[ltron]

The upgrade path requires another £400 or so for a 3080ti unless you jump ship to AMD in which case you're pretty solid!

Agreed, but the AMD cards were pretty much impossible to find at MSRP in the UK otherwise more of us would have bought them.

 

[Pitta]

I would be more inclined to believe this. Either upgrade earlier or persuade to buy a 3090 instead lol

with the 3080ti and 3070ti having small amounts of vram, i'm more inclined to believe this was planned obsolescence. 3070 and 3070ti 8gb vram is stupid and nvidia knows it. they made the 3000 series so good value they had to find a way of making people upgrade in the future instead of just sticking with it too long

 

[Jay85]

Agreed, but the AMD cards were pretty much impossible to find at MSRP in the UK otherwise more of us would have bought them.

I don't think i've seen a single AMD reference drop that's from the UK since brexit. I remember being able to purchase a 6700 but it was through the Ireland warehouse, since brexit that has been blocked now and you get auto diverted back to the uk store which is always out of stock. If AMD opened up to us i'm sure FE cards would be much less popular than they are.

 

[Nexus18]

TBF, 3070 and ti are great value for money cards (well all of amperes line up is tbh except 3080ti and above imo) if you're happy to reduce settings or/and play at a lower resolution than 4k. Amd can't come close to ampere in terms of value for money hence why this forum has far more ampere owners (most of which are FE based) than all of RDNA 2 line up combined.

 

[Jay85]

TBF, 3070 and ti are great value for money cards (well all of amperes line up is tbh except 3080ti and above imo) if you're happy to reduce settings or/and play at a lower resolution than 4k. Amd can't come close to ampere in terms of value for money hence why this forum has far more ampere owners (most of which are FE based) than all of RDNA 2 line up combined.

True the 3080 at £650 is truly abit of a outlier, just don't compare to older generation releases. The last time i saw anything this popular was the release of the 1080/1080ti.

 

[tommybhoy]

it was intentional from Nvidia to gimp their cards VRAM last year so they could get people to upgrade earlier.

Planned obsolescence, Nvidia is the master of that craft, and if it isn't vram related it would be something else like not optimising for the previous gen-they got slaughtered for it.

Not saying AMD don't do it but Nv are better at it from their own pov business wise.

By the time we start needing more vram on a regular basis no one will be talking about these cards as we will be on next gen ones. If you are the type that only upgrades every 5-10 years then you should have gone with a 6800XT or 3090. Simples.

Don't agree, it's happening now when they are valid, the gpu in question is relevant for 2 gens at least imo-more so given the resale value this time could still be the original price.




Not to mention the high posting drown you out brigade with 'it's plenty' and we'll drown you out even more if you disagree.

Some of the posting all round has been **** poor forcing opinions rather than discussing imo.

 

[TNA]

Don't agree, it's happening now when they are valid, the gpu in question is relevant for 2 gens at least imo-more so given the resale value this time could still be the original price.




Not to mention the high posting drown you out brigade with 'it's plenty' and we'll drown you out even more if you disagree.

Some of the posting all round has been **** poor forcing opinions rather than discussing imo.

But consider, apart from the crap that was Godfall, this is the first game to have an issue and that is only when you want the HD Textures and play at 4K which only a very small percentage do (apparently they can’t see the difference between 1440p and 4K).

It is not like games will be coming any time soon that the standard textures and settings will make the game unplayable. HD Textures are optional as LTMatt likes to keep saying. Even consoles don’t have them as far as I understand, so why is it that suddenly after this game 10gb is not enough? Let’s discuss that?

I am still in the belief that one will run out of rasterisation performance and want to upgrade or lower settings generally speaking before 10GB VRAM. We see this today.

 

[_Cereal_]

TBF, 3070 and ti are great value for money cards (well all of amperes line up is tbh except 3080ti and above imo) if you're happy to reduce settings or/and play at a lower resolution than 4k. Amd can't come close to ampere in terms of value for money hence why this forum has far more ampere owners (most of which are FE based) than all of RDNA 2 line up combined.

Not disagreeing with you but its unfair to compare their popularity since AMD couldnt care less about the UK market to begin with making it basically nearly impossible to anyone living on the UK to grab their cards for MSRP, plenty of AMD fans ended up jumping ship since Nvidia was the only one providing cards at decent prices, at least grabbing a NVIDIA FE card is somewhat manageable with alerts and having your phone logged in and ready, making the 3060TI and 3080 pretty much unbeatable on their price range.