Far Cry 6 GPU performance not bad at all but is severely bottlenecked by CPU

TNA · 3 Nov 2021 at 14:17

TheRealDeal said:
They were told a year ago 10gb was a rubbish amount of Vram for a flagship card but argued otherwise. Not even a year after launch its proven it is not enough.

Firstly, well after a year, not less than. Secondly only one game. Someone reading your post would think there were loads of games…

The reason people like me argued it was fine was because of its price point of the FE cards and the fact that by the time more than a handful of games would come out like Far Cry 6 we would be on next gen cards. We already have the Super cards coming out shortly that have more vram and the next gen ones are like a year away. Let’s see if we get more than a handful of games between now and their launch, my guess is we won’t.

gpuerrilla said:

G J said:
Well some people cant work out that not being able to run one game at the max settings does not mean card is bad.

Especially when it is in one game and it is not even a must play title

Bill Turnip · 3 Nov 2021 at 14:31

I'm content with 10Gb - If a game requires more than that, and it's stated in advance, no problem - settings are there for a reason. I'm playing at 3840 * 1600, so believe this is the sweet spot, especially at MSRP which I was lucky to get.

If people are paying through the nose above MSRP and then complaining it's not enough... I believe that there is an option offered by AMD. It'll even let you play Far Cry!

Shaz12 · 3 Nov 2021 at 14:38

Bill Turnip said:
I'm content with 10Gb - If a game requires more than that, and it's stated in advance, no problem - settings are there for a reason. I'm playing at 3840 * 1600, so believe this is the sweet spot, especially at MSRP which I was lucky to get.

If people are paying through the nose above MSRP and then complaining it's not enough... I believe that there is an option offered by AMD. It'll even let you play Far Cry!

The 16GB requirement in this game is only because they didn’t bother to optimise for Nvidia cards at all. They have now backtracked to 12GB as it wasn’t looking good that their game is the only one which can’t be maxed out on Nvidia’s gaming lineup at all. Even the 3080 Super comes with 12GB.

I wouldn’t have a problem with the texture pack since it’s optional but the stock textures really look bad IMO. Personally I would rather use FSR and slightly degrade image quality to retain the Hd Textures.

Bill Turnip · 3 Nov 2021 at 14:48

It will be interesting to see how/if this gets optimised moving forwards, especially if there is a known issue with the stock textures within recommended requirements.

It's this discussion which makes me want to buy and play the game rather than the game itself, which I'm sure is wrong...

gpuerrilla · 3 Nov 2021 at 14:54

TNA said:
Firstly, well after a year, not less than. Secondly only one game. Someone reading your post would think there were loads of games…

The reason people like me argued it was fine was because of its price point of the FE cards and the fact that by the time more than a handful of games would come out like Far Cry 6 we would be on next gen cards. We already have the Super cards coming out shortly that have more vram and the next gen ones are like a year away. Let’s see if we get more than a handful of games between now and their launch, my guess is we won’t.

Especially when it is in one game and it is not even a must play title

Stop piping up with your 3070!!

Bill Turnip said:
I'm content with 10Gb - If a game requires more than that, and it's stated in advance, no problem - settings are there for a reason. I'm playing at 3840 * 1600, so believe this is the sweet spot, especially at MSRP which I was lucky to get.

If people are paying through the nose above MSRP and then complaining it's not enough... I believe that there is an option offered by AMD. It'll even let you play Far Cry!

gpuerrilla · 3 Nov 2021 at 14:56

_Cereal_ said:
they should make a game with a reqirement of minimum of 24GB vram just to raise hell on this forum ahahah.

Simplify the download pack to "Mugs Edition"TM

TheRealDeal · 3 Nov 2021 at 15:27

The point is if they stuck enough vram on in the first place there would not be a problem. remember this is a flagship Gpu

TNA said:
Firstly, well after a year, not less than. Secondly only one game. Someone reading your post would think there were loads of games…

The reason people like me argued it was fine was because of its price point of the FE cards and the fact that by the time more than a handful of games would come out like Far Cry 6 we would be on next gen cards. We already have the Super cards coming out shortly that have more vram and the next gen ones are like a year away. Let’s see if we get more than a handful of games between now and their launch, my guess is we won’t.

Especially when it is in one game and it is not even a must play title

It dont change the fact it was not enough Vram as is being proven by this AAA title. Nobody bar the hardcore would be swapping a 3080 to a Super unless it was a great deal. 10gb on a top end card was not enough. Your whole point back then was you would be upgrading to the next gen 4 series by the time it mattered yet we are a year away and it seems it matters right now if you like Farcry 6 at 4k with the texture pack.

Bill Turnip · 3 Nov 2021 at 15:43

TheRealDeal said:
The point is if they stuck enough vram on in the first place there would not be a problem. remember this is a flagship Gpu

....if you like Farcry 6 at 4k with the texture pack.

@TNA doesn't seem too bothered. Therefore 10GB is enough - proven by stepping down to 8gb!

Nexus18 · 3 Nov 2021 at 15:49

TheRealDeal said:
The point is if they stuck enough vram on in the first place there would not be a problem. remember this is a flagship Gpu

It dont change the fact it was not enough Vram as is being proven by this AAA title. Nobody bar the hardcore would be swapping a 3080 to a Super unless it was a great deal. 10gb on a top end card was not enough. Your whole point back then was you would be upgrading to the next gen 4 series by the time it mattered yet we are a year away and it seems it matters right now if you like Farcry 6 at 4k with the texture pack.

If they stuck more vram on with the options they had at the time, it would have cost far more than £650 and personally for myself and I imagine most others, we rather save money than pay for something, which will have no benefit for said products lifetime of 2/3+ years (if you're even remotely a pc gamer enthusiast)

The reason FC 6 is so much of an issue on the 3080 is because the game has an acknowledged bug with vram/texture management that is even affecting people who aren't using the HD texture pack nor running at 1440p+ (also, it's an issue on every nvidia card too [3090 isn't as severe] and even there on amd cards and the xbox [as shown by DF video] but to a much lesser extent and also it magnifies itself more supposedly after a solid 2+ hour session).

Also, out of curiosity, based on that logic and considering amds/6800xt/6900xt lacklustre ray tracing performance, could we say it is not a "flagship" gpu either then? After all there are far more RT games where amd suffer considerably with a next gen graphically feature turned on than nvidia/3080 does with vram hungry games....

gpuerrilla · 3 Nov 2021 at 15:50

TheRealDeal said:
It dont change the fact it was not enough Vram as is being proven by this AAA title. Nobody bar the hardcore would be swapping a 3080 to a Super unless it was a great deal. 10gb on a top end card was not enough. Your whole point back then was you would be upgrading to the next gen 4 series by the time it mattered yet we are a year away and it seems it matters right now if you like Farcry 6 at 4k with the texture pack.

Correct though, he is sporting a 3070 right now so whilst I agree with his behaviour to date, well up until he bought a 3070, we are assuming the 40 series releases soon (not delayed) and they have not escalated in price (4070/80) and they have enough hardware features.

10Gb has been ample so far. However people that upgraded to one that have to have the card for another couple of years may be annoyed nvidia were too stingy which seems to be the concensus by the reviewers out there (confirmed by the Supers adding more VRAM a year on).

TNA · 3 Nov 2021 at 15:53

TheRealDeal said:
The point is if they stuck enough vram on in the first place there would not be a problem. remember this is a flagship Gpu

It dont change the fact it was not enough Vram as is being proven by this AAA title. Nobody bar the hardcore would be swapping a 3080 to a Super unless it was a great deal. 10gb on a top end card was not enough. Your whole point back then was you would be upgrading to the next gen 4 series by the time it mattered yet we are a year away and it seems it matters right now if you like Farcry 6 at 4k with the texture pack.

Nope. Back then even I said it would be in a handful of games at best. So basically there was a whole year where 10gb was fine. Now we got one game and if it is something you really want to play you still can, just can’t play without the hd texture pack. So why are we making it sound like a slum dunk “see 10gb is not enough I was right” deal?

Even LtMatt said, it ain’t a big deal, just play without the HD Texture pack. That is what people on AMD gear have to do in regards to most RT titles is it not?

Talk about facts, if you want 3080 performance card with 16gb memory which is basically a 6800 XT then be prepared to pay through the nose. Price matters mate, let’s not pretend it does not now. Had the 3080 come in at a much higher price then I would be agreeing with you all day long.

And not like the 3080’s were unicorns. I got one and helped a bunch of people get one also. Now due to 3080 Super coming out they have not been in stock for a while though.

TheRealDeal · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:01

TNA said:
Nope. Back then even I said it would be in a handful of games at best. So basically there was a whole year where 10gb was fine. Now we got one game and if it is something you really want to play you still can, just can’t play without the hd texture pack. So why are we making it sound like a slum dunk “see 10gb is not enough I was right” deal?

Even LtMatt said, it ain’t a big deal, just play without the HD Texture pack. That is what people on AMD gear have to do in regards to most RT titles is it not?

Talk about facts, if you want 3080 performance card with 16gb memory which is basically a 6800 XT then be prepared to pay through the nose. Price matters mate, let’s not pretend it does not now. Had the 3080 come in at a much higher price then I would be agreeing with you all day long.

And not like the 3080’s were unicorns. I got one and helped a bunch of people get one also. Now due to 3080 Super coming out they have not been in stock for a while though.

It's not enough is the point though is it. There shouldn't be a game full stop that this card cant play due to vram a year down the line. My point was also aimed at those keeping the card for 2-3 years. Looks bleak for them imo as it's the start of next gen games and even Consoles are playing with the pack. I did agree with you if swapping like you always do it's fine but I disagree that 10gb was enough and I still think it was stingy from Nvidia.

Pricing atm makes all cards a no go for me. I changed my monitor from 4k 60hz to 1440 240hz so my Vega 64 in the games I play its fine as they are all high paced online games. I just have textures maxed and a mix of settings to get the desired high fps. This way I can get a gpu when things hopefully normalise. I will tell you though it will have more than 10gb vram though lol.

Shaz12 · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:15

TheRealDeal said:
It's not enough is the point though is it. There shouldn't be a game full stop that this card cant play due to vram a year down the line. My point was also aimed at those keeping the card for 2-3 years. Looks bleak for them imo as it's the start of next gen games and even Consoles are playing with the pack. I did agree with you if swapping like you always do it's fine but I disagree that 10gb was enough and I still think it was stingy from Nvidia.

Pricing atm makes all cards a no go for me. I changed my monitor from 4k 60hz to 1440 240hz so my Vega 64 in the games I play its fine as they are all high paced online games. I just have textures maxed and a mix of settings to get the desired high fps. This way I can get a gpu when things hopefully normalise. I will tell you though it will have more than 10gb vram though lol.

They could not possibly increase vram without massively inflating the prices. They would need to go straight from 10GB to 20GB and we would end up with £2000 3080s.

TNA · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:17

Bill Turnip said:
@TNA doesn't seem too bothered. Therefore 10GB is enough - proven by stepping down to 8gb!

Yep. Still not had a single game I have played have an issue. Was a great choice selling my 3080 for over £1600 and downgrading

TheRealDeal said:
It's not enough is the point though is it. There shouldn't be a game full stop that this card cant play due to vram a year down the line. My point was also aimed at those keeping the card for 2-3 years. Looks bleak for them imo as it's the start of next gen games and even Consoles are playing with the pack. I did agree with you if swapping like you always do it's fine but I disagree that 10gb was enough and I still think it was stingy from Nvidia.

Pricing atm makes all cards a no go for me. I changed my monitor from 4k 60hz to 1440 240hz so my Vega 64 in the games I play its fine as they are all high paced online games. I just have textures maxed and a mix of settings to get the desired high fps. This way I can get a gpu when things hopefully normalise. I will tell you though it will have more than 10gb vram though lol.

yeah, seems you made up your mind mate, no matter what is said you just say the same thing. Lol.

That’s like saying RT should not be an issue for AMD at the price points they charge.

You cannot say 10GB is stingy when you have the facts laid bare. It would have been stingy had they charged a lot more for the card. But as it is it the best card money can buy is a 3090 and how much slower is the 3080? Roughly 15%… so with facts like that and fact that had they gone 20gb we no longer would have had a £650 card meaning many like me would not have bothered, does that not say something to you?

It is easy to sit back and say this or that without looking at the whole picture. Bit like 4K8KWTF does all the time. AMD should have done, this or that. Yeah in hindsight everything is easy, but they develop stuff many years before it hits the shelves and they don’t have the R&D budget Nvidia does… To me AMD have done fantastic with RDNA2 personally considering how far behind they were.

TNA · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:18

Shaz12 said:
They could not possibly increase vram without massively inflating the prices. They would need to go straight from 10GB to 20GB and we would end up with £2000 3080s.

Yep, as I said above. Why can’t people get that? Also as I said this stuff is designed many years before it hits the shelves. Not like they click their fingers 3 months before launch and decided on 10GB…

I am not defending Nvidia by the way (not exactly a fan), I am just defending common sense :cry:

Shaz12 · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:20

If we are bringing pricing into this, AMD’s flagships can barely handle ray tracing even in its limited form. In the future as ray tracing becomes more prominent, these cards will also age badly compared to nvidia in this aspect as well. A £1000 card should be able to handle ray tracing.

TNA · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:22

gpuerrilla said:
Correct though, he is sporting a 3070 right now so whilst I agree with his behaviour to date, well up until he bought a 3070, we are assuming the 40 series releases soon (not delayed) and they have not escalated in price (4070/80) and they have enough hardware features.

10Gb has been ample so far. However people that upgraded to one that have to have the card for another couple of years may be annoyed nvidia were too stingy which seems to be the concensus by the reviewers out there (confirmed by the Supers adding more VRAM a year on).

You know why I went for a 3070. That was the FE that was first in stock after I sold my 3080 and I felt it would be fine until my next upgrade. So far it is proving to be just that

2080 Ti performance for £470 delivered BRAND NEW

TheRealDeal · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:27

Problem is i will admit AMD's Ray tracing ain't up to much this gen but you guys will never admit 10gb was not enough even when a game proves it only a year down the line. i have no need to change my mind as i believe i am correct. AMD's ray tracing performance and even Nvidia's is a reason i ain't to bothered about missing this round as none of them are really fit for purpose atm.

TNA · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:29

TheRealDeal said:
Problem is i will admit AMD's Ray tracing ain't up to much this gen but you guys will never admit 10gb was not enough even when a game proves it only a year down the line. i have no need to change my mind as i believe i am correct.

Did you read my posts properly sir?

The way you are going on like as if there were 16GB options available left right and centre at similar price points in the UK and people said, nah, 10gb is more than enough, will be fine for 2-3 gens don’t worry…

10GB has not been an issue for a whole year and now one somewhat decent game has come out, not even a must play but, you know 10gb ain’t enough.

TheRealDeal · 3 Nov 2021 at 16:32

TNA said:
Did you read my posts properly sir?

Lol maybe, i am not in my most concentrated mode due to skimming and eating a double Big Mac meal while doing so. So if i missed something i do apologise lol.