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It's not a fact, it's an opinion, and in my opinion any country that can not fully control their borders is not sovereign.
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It's not a fact, it's an opinion, and in my opinion any country that can not fully control their borders is not sovereign.
A dodge.
The point i was making is that someone from Remain came out on tv and used that exact figure. Saying that is the amount we send to the EU before anything is taken out etc. When the remain camp during the campaign was playing down that figure.
it is similar to when Lord rose said that wages would rise if we came out of the EU, then suddenly he was never heard from again during the campaigning. The remain camp just using information when it suits their agenda.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ent-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html
That's an interesting opinion.
Good to see some balance from random internet dude 1 versus an expert in EU constitutional Law
That's fair enough, but doesn't meet with the widely accepted definition of a sovereign state. We had sovereignty before the vote, we have it now, and we'll continue to have it whether we invoke a50 or not.
Considering the european court of human rights can overule the supreme court, i don't see how they can say that we are fully sovreign. Also that foreign policies dictate certain parts of our own economy.
He will probably return to the Conservative party, Farage won't stand against him as would have no chance UKIP won that seat because Carswell stood not because he was UKIP. I suspect the last election was the best chance and the closest plucky old nige will come to becoming a UKIP MP it would be a sad day for this country were he to be elected to represent any constituency and certainly represent a backwards step for equality in this country.
... It's that they're tired of their opinions generally being at odds with overwhelming expert opinion and it's easier to ignore it with some waffling than accept your own opinions are not supported by reality.
Nice try, but we're talking about something specific here. We can move onto wages once we've done with this bit.
You are citing the words on a currently unknown person that you say was in the remain camp, that they've said we pay £20b a year which is wrong but you took at face value despite accurate figures being readily available but are demonstrably against accepting the input from actual experts.
Why are you against economic and politics experts but are willing to accept the word of some bloke off the telly without verifying what he's said?
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That's an interesting opinion.
Good to see some balance from random internet dude 1 versus an expert in EU constitutional Law
That doesn't change the point that what he claims is not a fact.
No insults, gotcha
Reality is, Nigel Farage gave Britain her sovereignty back. Nigel Farage delivered! Fact is, most British people want him to be a Sir.
Petition here
https://www.change.org/p/hrh-the-qu...ighthood-for-making-uk-independence-a-reality
Signed.
^lol that petition is worse than the one for a second referendum and I didn't think that was possible.
At which point we may could have had a referendum to leave, my argument has always been that the EU isn't perfect but now wasn't the time to leave our economy was strong our deficit was being reduced and things were generally looking good. So we voted to leave and risk screwing (note I said risk as nobody really knows) all that up for some notion of sovereignty that we haven't even given up and keeping out them job stealing immigrants, that we might well fail to do. Seems like a raw deal to me that will hurt the people at the bottom much more than the top, we could leave at any point but should we ever decide that globalisation is a good thing then we will never get a deal as good as the one we are walking away from.
At which point we may could have had a referendum to leave, my argument has always been that the EU isn't perfect but now wasn't the time to leave our economy was strong our deficit was being reduced and things were generally looking good. So we voted to leave and risk screwing (note I said risk as nobody really knows) all that up for some notion of sovereignty that we haven't even given up and keeping out them job stealing immigrants, that we might well fail to do. Seems like a raw deal to me that will hurt the people at the bottom much more than the top, we could leave at any point but should we ever decide that globalisation is a good thing then we will never get a deal as good as the one we are walking away from.
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This x 1000. We always will have the choice to leave if it all goes **** up. Leaving now is not the time to do it.
Our economy was still recovering but generally things were looking ok and we were seeing growth. Leaving will just undo that for years with zero garauntee of anything better at the end of the tunnell.
I believe if you watch the video he explains how parliament can expressly give the right to the EU to overrule UK law in some instances yet retain ultimate power.
TBH calling leave people racist seemed to be the bedrock of the remain campaign sadly. Well that and 'thick' I remember one post in here scoffing at how Leavers probably couldn't even scrawl an 'x' in the correct box on the ballot paper which was met with clucking approval from some. Vile.
That result though. :^)
Well considering May is probably going to be PM, and that she has already said she we won’t be scrapping the EU court of human rights we won’t be getting our "sovereignty" back anyway.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/68...ain-out-European-Convention-Human-Rights-Tory
Who, Michael Gove?
They did have a right motley crew on that side of the campaign!
Whether you like to admit it or not, the bedrock of remain was fact. Completely conversely to leave - who have gambled our futures. It might turn out alright, it might not, but it's a pure gamble because no-one has any idea.
You are complaining about being judged as a leaver due to a small faction of leaver voters, but are judging all remain voters on a small faction of remain voters.
That's called being a hypocrite. It's generally thought of as being a bad thing.
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But this is the point some people don't seem to get. The people at the bottom are already hurting. They're the people that are affected the most by low skilled immigration and this referendum told us they've had enough.
Why do you think the less educated in society are more likely to vote leave?
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