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deuse said:
No freedom of movement. We don't really need the EU at all, but they need us.
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Yet the EU is not even willing to start informal talks before we activate article 50.

You would think with so much bargaining power, that EU would at least compromise on this small issue of informal talks. :rolleyes:
 
Hey we're the 5th 6th 7th biggest economy in the world don't ya know, we have all the leverage!!

****, the way we are going to slide, we better get in there quick :p
 
Freakbro said:
Hey we're the 5th 6th 7th biggest economy in the world don't ya know, we have all the leverage!!

****, the way we are going to slide, we better get in there quick :p
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That's my thinking. By Christmas we might only be the 24th biggest economy and need the EU way more than now.
 
Gux said:
Yet the EU is not even willing to start informal talks before we activate article 50.

You would think with so much bargaining power, that EU would at least compromise on this small issue of informal talks. :rolleyes:
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As said. We don't need them as much as they need us. Article 50 will start this year.
From 2020 you will have to fill in a visa form to go to Europe. Nothing hard there
 
deuse said:
No freedom of movement. We don't really need the EU at all, but they need us.
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There is no common market scenario in any sense encountered in the last 40 years without freedom of movement. No point of even talking about it.

Also, you have it backwards - as much as Britain needs EU product imports and markets, EU doesn't need Britain. Project Hate had it backwards all along - the fact that Britain is France's or Germany's n-th biggest importer works for France or Germany as leverage, not for Britain. The morning after invoking article 50 Britain will wake up to the same table of foreign breakfast products heated up by offshore energy companies and the same foreign made car waiting on the driveway. The need to source European products for us, won't cease, regardless of restrictions or taxes imposed on our products imposed by EU. "You need me because I eat and use a lot of your products" is not leverage in this scenario. What you were supposed to do ask yourself was - what do we make or manufacture in Britain that EU couldn't make or manufacture cheaper themselves. And the answer is... unfortunately... motherloving flock all.

In addition, most of our dear EU friends would be very content to see our quotas and product protection gone. They would welcome any relocating financial markets, production facilities and investments with open arms and lowered taxes.
 
TechMinerUK said:
And how legitimate are those figures as they appear to disagree with the general status quo on our imports/exports
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/uktrademar2016

"Figures from the ONS showed that Europe is gradually becoming a less important destination for UK companies. In 2000, 60% of exports went to other EU countries, but the percentage fell to 58% in 2005, 54% in 2010 and 47% in 2015."

"Over the same period, imports from the EU remained constant, accounting for 54% in both 2000 and 2015. "

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ew-record-of-24bn-pounds-eu-referendum-brexit
 
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deuse said:
As I've already said. Look at the imports\exports to Europe. And please read the thread :)
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From your source:

In EU trade the UK was a net importer this month, with imports exceeding exports by £7.1 billion.
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So we imported more from the EU than we exported.

The proportion of total exports to the EU was 48 per cent in April 2016. Over the past 18 months, this has ranged from 38 per cent to 48 per cent. The proportion of total imports from the EU was 47 per cent in April 2016. Over the same period, this has ranged between 47 per cent and 55 per cent.
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Exports to the EU range from 38-38%
Imports from the EU range from 47-55%

Again suggesting that we generally import more by quite a margin.

Also, the figures are in terms of our imports and exports so considering the EU is a much larger trading bloc, our exports and imports make up a much smaller proportion of it's trade - of which we are significantly reliant upon.

From that evidence, I suggest that we are more reliant on trade with the EU than the EU is on us.
 
deuse said:
As said. We don't need them as much as they need us. Article 50 will start this year.
From 2020 you will have to fill in a visa form to go to Europe. Nothing hard there
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Yet we cannot get the EU to even come and do informal talk with us? So much so for, they need us more than we need them rubbish.

And that dream you keep on having of imports vs exports. You forgot to add in the worst case scenario, it is 27 EU members vs 1 country. The hit to each one of the 27 members will be a lot less than to the UK, which is a single entity.

At worst some of the 27 members might be hit by a loss of couple of percent of trade. Meanwhile the UK will be hit by a lot more.

Having a worse deal with the UK, will hit individual EU members very little in real terms. UK imports/exports are spread out against 27 members.
 
Six6siX said:
From your source:



So we imported more from the EU than we exported.



Exports to the EU range from 38-38%
Imports from the EU range from 47-55%

Again suggesting that we generally import more by quite a margin.

Also, the figures are in terms of our imports and exports so considering the EU is a much larger trading bloc, our exports and imports make up a much smaller proportion of it's trade - of which we are significantly reliant upon.

From that evidence, I suggest that we are more reliant on trade with the EU than the EU is on us.
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I don't think you get it :confused:
 
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