Fee Money for having a LoRaWAN on your house

What do you have it for?

Mine is a batch 4 or 5 bobcat with a mcgill antenna, it originally mined helium (and I made a lot off it in the early days) - Now it just slowly gathers helium IOT coins which are basically worthless but I have many of them :cry: I also have another few miners scattered around, one in Gibraltar and another in Wales.

Here you can see it popping it's little head out above the old TV aerials which I should have just ripped down when I put it up there.

 
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for open reach it seems the most you can get is for a cabinet

Cabinet (all sizes including DSLAM) one off payment of £787.50 and then yearly payments of £52.50


for that aerial I'd expect a one off payment and then at least 350 a year

surely got to be worth a few grand for the hassle of having it installed, and then it's directly attached to your house so is surely worse than a cabinet or whatever hiding in a hedge.


eventually you might not notice a cabinet in a hedge, with that aerial your always going to see it, it's a bit of an eye sore, it affects the value of the property etc
 
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I’d be concerned about if the power goes out do you end ip being held accountable for lost revenue.

It would also be taxable..

Also what can’t they operate their own tower?

If a neighbour gets cancer later on and it’s proven link.. you could be co-defendant.
 
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I’d be concerned about if the power goes out do you end ip being held accountable for lost revenue.

It would also be taxable..

Also what can’t they operate their own tower?

If a neighbour gets cancer later on and it’s proven link.. you could be co-defendant.

Their argument is that it's cheaper to put these on side of houses than having to go through the whole process of installing their own cell towers.
 
I’d be concerned about if the power goes out do you end ip being held accountable for lost revenue.

It would also be taxable..

Also what can’t they operate their own tower?

If a neighbour gets cancer later on and it’s proven link.. you could be co-defendant.

Not if the agreement is worded correctly.

TEchnically, but would fall under the £1,000 trading allowance.

Because they cost a fortune to build, need planning permission (in some instances) and need land to put them on.

Your last comment is very spurious, people get cancers all the time...is it modern lifestyle/food/coca cola/sweets/McDs etc. It's all of them likely, but proving it will be near on impossible. Also you do realise we've had this tech in our homes and pockets for years...?
 
Definitely not.

Anecdotally my old hair dresser had a 4G mast mounted to the side of his shop (end wall of a row of shops so it had good line of sight out of the street). He owned the building and whatever company it was was paying him about £40K a year
no it wasn't...

There are no mobile companies paying that amount. Source: I have 3 of them in the UK, 10 in Spain, 5 in the Netherlands and 2 in Germany. Them ost we get is about 12k euros a year and that's for antennas on a structure we have that is 50m tall...
 
no it wasn't...

There are no mobile companies paying that amount. Source: I have 3 of them in the UK, 10 in Spain, 5 in the Netherlands and 2 in Germany. Them ost we get is about 12k euros a year and that's for antennas on a structure we have that is 50m tall...

It could have been.

In the UK, up until December 2017 then lease rates were based on whatever the MNO was willing to pay, after that it was on the base ground rent so any lease agreements prior to 2017 were far more lucrative for property owners. After 2017 the rates dropped significantly leading to lots of property owners being more reluctant to enter lease agreements.

source: used to manage rooftop agreements with MNOs for my employer. :)
 
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It could have been.

In the UK, up until December 2017 then lease rates were based on whatever the MNO was willing to pay, after that it was on the base ground rent so any lease agreements prior to 2017 were far more lucrative for property owners. After 2017 the rates dropped significantly leading to lots of property owners being more reluctant to enter lease agreements.

source: used to manage rooftop agreements with MNOs for my employer. :)

Not a chance. On the side of a house?? I've never actually heard of them being attached to a residential property (that isn't a tower block).

I'm negotiating with these criminals right now, they've offered me £1,750 to put a 20m mast on our land based on the che Farm case settled at tribunal in July at that rate. Not sure how they've compared a crappy bit of land the tribunal described as an "unexceptional rural site" to our site in a suburban part of Glasgow, but I guess that is part of the fun. Prior to that case, the tribunals had set the rate for rural locations at £750. The telco's managed to hoodwink/lie to the government that the price of rent was the reason they hadn't improved the quality of our network. In reality it's a mix of greed and laziness. Vodafone UK alone in 2023 made 6.8bn euros (with about 35% profit) yet paying a land owner ~£5k a year is a problem.

the 2017 ECC is what I presume you refer to and that really stitched up land owners. The operators were initially offering £1 a year...
 
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