Feminism spin-off.

[Caracus2k]

These claims for 'equal' pay for different jobs are an attempt to inject a key tenant of literal socialism (in practice) into society.

Essentially the idea being espoused is that ideologically driven central planning (from the state) and not markets should determine pay rates (by determining the 'worth' of different jobs)

But Socialist style central planning has consistently been shown to be a failure time and time again if for no other reason than an (ideologically driven) bureaucrat can't actually tell you the worth of any particular job, good or service divorced from markets.

Now markets aren't perfect so it's not to say that everyone is paid a rate 100% consumerate with their worth to their employee....

But broadly speaking pay generally represents a large number of variables which are not just limited to certain mechanical aspects of how bits of the job are done.

Yes a warehouse worker and a shop worker have some similarities (move stock about in a building ) but there also some big differences to their jobs including but not limited things such as the suitability for part time work and flexible hours and the accessibility of the workplace for the workers from their homes.

Warehouses are generally more remote from housing then shops, have less amenable hours for family life and dont tend to be in a position to offer as much flexibility as shop work when it comes to part time work and flexible hours.

All these factors cumulatively affect the ability to hire and retain suitable staff.

The answer is simple if you think a comparable job is paid more then your current one.... Apply for the job!


If you answer is I would but some aspect of the job doesn't suit my life or other commitments then the jobs aren't as comparable as you thought....


If you find some uneccesary
barrier to you applying or working in the job then we can look to see if sexism etc is at play.....


Uneccessary barriers shouldn't include the fact that some aspect of the job or hours required don't suit you!

If you think the socialism thing is a bit hyperbolic just look at the comments in the article from a representative of the firm launching the equal pay claim...

“It is nuanced and complex but we do need to change how we measure work and value work,” she said.

Socialist feminists are hilarious one minute big business is universally evil oppressing the working classes in general then the next minute they claim the same businesses can somehow find the money to pay one group £3-4 an hour more than another for 'equivalent' work , apparently for no other reason then the second group are predominately men and the former predominately women!

And here we see the whole pack of lies collapse...... If businesses could get the same amount of work done to the same standard for less wages by hiring one group over another they would do it .. . .

But they dont because it doesn't work out like that in reality

 

[h4rm0ny]

I noticed the Tescos case was from last February so I had a search to see if I could find an update / outcome. The only current thing I could find was a page on the law firm's own website asking people to come forward and join the lawsuit if they thought they might have been discriminated against. There's a form to fill out and also pages for their equivalent lawsuits against Sainsbury's et al. So I figure it's still going on.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Really good video by Tucker Carlson here on American politics which touches on this subject. American focused but gets into Feminism as it goes on.

Transcript here:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...tm_source=mixi&utm_campaign=realclearpolitics

 

[h4rm0ny]

https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesDamore/comments/adpj0h/i_helped_google_screw_over_james_damore/

An anonymous poster on Reddit is claiming to have been involved in the James Damore firing and providing new background information about how an internal Google cabal went after him. There's no verification on this but Damore himself has commented on it and said it fits with things seen from his side and is therefore interesting. Damore, of course, was fired for his internal memo on Google's systemic favouritism towards women.

 

[413x]

Well you might find this a fun read then

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...al-pay-claim-could-cost-supermarket-up-to-4bn



Not that there are any rules in place that say only men can do the physical work in the warehouse or only women can work on tills.

AFAIK the reason for the warehouse pay being "up to more than £11 an hour" is (AFAIK) because they're eligible for productivity related bonuses... these aren't guaranteed but relate to performance (AFAIK).

Strange. This isn't sexism. They are different jobs. I hope that men and women can work in the warehouse if they are capable. And men are free to work on the shop floor.

This is completely different to 2 people doing the same job being paid differently due to gender.

I demand the same pay as my boss!

 

[Irish_Tom]

Strange. This isn't sexism. They are different jobs. I hope that men and women can work in the warehouse if they are capable. And men are free to work on the shop floor.

This is completely different to 2 people doing the same job being paid differently due to gender.

Absolutely, and if the claim is successful it sets a worrying precedent.

Hopefully common sense prevails and the case is dismissed.

 

[LabR@t]

A cook in the kitchen, a whore in bedroom.

 

[dowie]

Someone decided to "woman-splain" in a Guardian opinion piece why men fancy younger women...

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ir-firmer-bodies-but-their-greater-admiration

here is a maximum number of times a woman can get annoyed about what a French intellectual thinks about her arse. I thought I’d hit it in the 90s, when Michel Houellebecq did an elaborate, 300-odd page analogy between sexual liberation and free-market capitalism, which concluded that women were destroying men’s dignity. It was a hard-left version of Jordan Peterson that was, if you can possibly imagine such a thing, even more annoying.

Yet when the novelist Yann Moix announced this week that 50-year-old women were too old to love – “The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all” – I felt that old and delicious indignation. It’s not the talking-about-us-like-we’re-meat. It’s not the generalisation, or the brass neck of a guy who is 50 himself, and about as extraordinary to look at as an upturned shopping trolley in a canal. It’s just dishonest. There is nothing more contemptible than a home truth that isn’t true.

There is some irony that she's just thrown a similar comment right back at him, he's hardly way off the mark...

Also amusing:

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

A cook in the kitchen, a whore in bedroom.

And how much do you charge for those services? PM me, my dude.

 

[Angilion]

Strange. This isn't sexism. They are different jobs. I hope that men and women can work in the warehouse if they are capable. And men are free to work on the shop floor.

This is completely different to 2 people doing the same job being paid differently due to gender.

I demand the same pay as my boss!

"sexism" hasn't been about sexism for many a year. Feminists ran out of actual sexism long ago, so they had to make some up. It's par for the course for any group advocacy ideology that has any degree of success. Massively promote the idea of group identity, mix some cherry picked actual discrimination with some cherry picked trends and some stereotypes and some lies to create an impression of a constant pandemic of discrimination against the group identity to be favoured, use that as an excuse for creating a constant pandemic of discrimination against the group identity to be blamed. After any significant degree of success, it becomes self-sustaining and the lack of actual discrimination against The Chosen Ones won't matter at all. It's been used time and time again throughout history (using various groups of people in various places, e.g. christians and jews in medieval western Europe in the later part of the middle ages, aryans and jews in 1920s/30s Germany, etc, etc) because it works.

Absolutely, and if the claim is successful it sets a worrying precedent.

Hopefully common sense prevails and the case is dismissed.

Such claims have been successful for years now. The precedent is already very firmly set. We're already well into the "Males need not apply" phase of institutionalised antimale sexism.

 

[BowdonUK]

Someone decided to "woman-splain" in a Guardian opinion piece why men fancy younger women...

I noticed from a young age that if a guys has 'girl issues' and if they have a female friend they will ask the female friend for advice. But when a woman is wanting advice about men she goes to another woman!

As the guy in the reply managed to get in the comment section, why is it a national debating point about what some french guys dating preference is? I had the unfortunate experience the other day of hearing the opening topics of the loose women programme and this subject was going to be brought up for debate on the show. Thankfully I managed to locate the remote control and got the heck out of there!

 

[LabR@t]

And how much do you charge for those services? PM me, my dude.

Last time I had your mum round it was £20 an hour.

 

[Toasty]

Social engineering agenda, as there will be a lot of older single women who bought into ‘you can do it all’ taught to them by feminists. They still want to be deemed attractive by high status males the same as plus size women are also getting pushed.

They are pushing a narrative whereby men stating any preference is sexist but of course it’s fine for women to be very picky.

 

[J.T]

Tall dark and Handsome still seems to be the norm for what most woman want regardless of what they themselves look and act like however any man who is silly enough to express a preference better watch out!...

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Social engineering agenda, as there will be a lot of older single women who bought into ‘you can do it all’ taught to them by feminists. They still want to be deemed attractive by high status males the same as plus size women are also getting pushed.

They are pushing a narrative whereby men stating any preference is sexist but of course it’s fine for women to be very picky.

They can't control what makes a pee-pee point toward the sky.

If they're going to try to force men to find certain groups attractive, in complete contradiction to what that particular man's own penis is telling him, then they might as well go the whole hog and cure the gays while they're at it.

Utterly ridiculous.

 

[JonnyT]

Tall dark and Handsome still seems to be the norm for what most woman want regardless of what they themselves look and act like however any man who is silly enough to express a preference better watch out!...

Beards, tattoos and money seem to be the preferences these days on dating websites. Tall seems to be a mainstay still, but hilariously the plus size 4-5/10 females are also listing things like 6-packs as desirables, reinforcing the points made about a feminist narrative and agenda in modern society.

Modern dating sites are also awash with single mothers, whose offspring 'are their world'; obviously not enough to have stayed with their father and try to make the relationship work eh?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Modern dating sites are also awash with single mothers, whose offspring 'are their world'; obviously not enough to have stayed with their father and try to make the relationship work eh?

What? Are you serious?

 

[VincentHanna]

Beards, tattoos and money seem to be the preferences these days on dating websites. Tall seems to be a mainstay still, but hilariously the plus size 4-5/10 females are also listing things like 6-packs as desirables, reinforcing the points made about a feminist narrative and agenda in modern society.

Modern dating sites are also awash with single mothers, whose offspring 'are their world'; obviously not enough to have stayed with their father and try to make the relationship work eh?

Someone seems bitter. Not getting a date?

 

[jsmoke]

Tall dark and Handsome still seems to be the norm for what most woman want regardless of what they themselves look and act like however any man who is silly enough to express a preference better watch out!...

Largely true. It's the dog eats dog thing again, they want their kids to look athestically pleasing, be tall and strong so they will have an advantage in life. Not all a bad thing but a bit nazi(ish) in parts.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Largely true. It's the dog eats dog thing again, they want their kids to look athestically pleasing, be tall and strong so they will have an advantage in life. Not all a bad thing but a bit nazi(ish) in parts.

That's not a conscious decision, it's evolution in progress. Which sums up this ridiculous attempt at social engineering; men aren't biologically constructed to desire sexual exchange with women who are way past child bearing age. And that's probably the fundamental issue, we are now so far evolved that social and biological evolution are vying for dominance.