FFS think I've been done for speeding AGAIN.. HELP!

L0rdMike said:
Let them be dicks, just worry about your self. I really couldnt care what people think when im doing the limit.
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have to agree with that myself, please don't get the impression I am condoning dangerous driving because I am most certainly not. This is part of my issue though seeing as we're all getting a bit soapboxy.. a policemanist would spot the aggressive driver and give them a talking to regardless of their speed.

The van/gatso is only interested in 1 thing and 1 thing only that is the most black and white to prove, impossible to defend against and easy to hand out a fine for.
 
matt100 said:
The van/gatso is only interested in 1 thing and 1 thing only that is the most black and white to prove, impossible to defend against and easy to hand out a fine for.
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impossible to defend against? how do you figure this?
this suggests it's impossible to avoid receiving a speeding ticket when in fact it's far from it.

these days, everyone is a victim. it "wasn't their fault" and this place is no different.
the FACT is speed cameras would catch nobody if the drivers who are intentionally speeding chose not to and those who aren't concentrating enough started to pay the required amount of attention to the task in hand.
basically we as motorists are handing "them" our cash on a silver platter.

(and yes, i've been done for speeding more than once, and quite a few other offences as it happens, ALL of them being my fault for being either too stupid/irresponsible or careless.)
 
The_Dark_Side said:
impossible to defend against? how do you figure this?
this suggests it's impossible to avoid receiving a speeding ticket when in fact it's far from it.

these days, everyone is a victim. it "wasn't their fault" and this place is no different.
the FACT is speed cameras would catch nobody if the drivers who are intentionally speeding chose not to and those who aren't concentrating enough started to pay the required amount of attention to the task in hand.
basically we as motorists are handing "them" our cash on a silver platter.

(and yes, i've been done for speeding more than once, and quite a few other offences as it happens, ALL of them being my fault for being either too stupid/irresponsible or careless.)
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But this gets us back onto the 'what should the motorist be observing' argument, their speedo or their surroundings? I'd rather have a driver paying attention to their surroundings driving over the limit than one religiously sticking to the limit but not paying as much attention to everything else...

Of course, this is why I spec'd cruise control on the S3 ;)
 
Dolph said:
But this gets us back onto the 'what should the motorist be observing' argument, their speedo or their surroundings? I'd rather have a driver paying attention to their surroundings driving over the limit than one religiously sticking to the limit but not paying as much attention to everything else...

Of course, this is why I spec'd cruise control on the S3 ;)
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it takes a fraction of a second to check your speedo. literally.
you don't even need to read the numbers on the dial as a visual check of the position of the needle is enough most of the time.
remember you have a margin of error built into your speedo as well so if you stray over by a couple of MPH then technically speaking you're still within the limit.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
it takes a fraction of a second to check your speedo. literally.
you don't even need to read the numbers on the dial as a visual check of the position of the needle is enough most of the time.
remember you have a margin of error built into your speedo as well so if you stray over by a couple of MPH then technically speaking you're still within the limit.
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It also only takes a fraction of a second to have an accident, or to get snapped by a camera in the grand scheme of things... ;)

The bottom line is that the focus on speed isn't making roads safer as we've discussed and largely agreed many times before. The fact that it's taking attention away from things that could make the roads safer is the biggest problem with it.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
impossible to defend against? how do you figure this?
this suggests it's impossible to avoid receiving a speeding ticket when in fact it's far from it.

these days, everyone is a victim. it "wasn't their fault" and this place is no different.
the FACT is speed cameras would catch nobody if the drivers who are intentionally speeding chose not to and those who aren't concentrating enough started to pay the required amount of attention to the task in hand.
basically we as motorists are handing "them" our cash on a silver platter.

(and yes, i've been done for speeding more than once, and quite a few other offences as it happens, ALL of them being my fault for being either too stupid/irresponsible or careless.)
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good with stroppy posts, not great with reading english eh?

I said it was impossible to defend against not that it was impossible to not speed.. thats just daft

to be in a position to defend you have to be accused and to be accused you generally have to have been caught doing something.

I'm not suggesting for one second it is impossible not to speed, what I was saying was that once caught there is no defence other than "yes I did it" whereas there are shades of grey with dangerous/careless driving that the police clearly aren't interested in going near hence their relliance on speed cameras.

Its easy law..

did you do it?

no

we have a picture of you doing it

bugger
/end case

Less of the high horse please and don't try and make me out to be some sort of dangerous driving apologist.

What I know is the very first time I was caught speeding 10 years ago it was by a copper, with the volvo and the blue lights and the sitting in the back getting a lecture and that was the last speeding ticket I got for 8 years. These last 2, possibly 3 have been via vans and all I have been left with is a vague feeling of resentment and a feeling I should slow down to not get caught again rather than slowing down because a copper has made me feel about an inch tall after a good dressing down.
 
matt100 said:
good with stroppy posts, not great with reading english eh?.
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not stroppy at all.
unless pointing out basic facts counts as stroppiness.
you're intended meaning was vague at best so don't be surprised when someone takes a different meaning from it other than the one you intended.

as for a high horse you're plain wrong there. i've covered many times your mileage and have picked up various endorsements along the way, along with a ban as well so i'm hardly trying to be holier than thou.

unless it's absolutely necessary to drag proceedings out then i'd bite the bullet asap as the penalty will probably be more severe than if you hold your hands up now.
 
Dolph said:
It also only takes a fraction of a second to have an accident, or to get snapped by a camera in the grand scheme of things... ;)
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i'd estimate it takes me around 1/3-1/2 second to check the speedo.
as i'm aware if my car is accelerating or not i can do this as and when necessary. given the mileage i cover i'd have accidents regularly if glancing at my speedo the way i do required some superhuman ability.

as for the camera it takes a fraction of a second to get snapped, but if i'm trying to abide by the limit that's an impossibility. if all car speedos read true, and the police would fine you for 1mph over the limit then i'd agree 100% with you.
but as they don't on both counts i don't.
 
well at least you're answering the question now, any evidence of that would be great, I've read a fair amount along the lnes of exchanging these PACE letters and getting a summons and a date and blah blah blah (which bear in mind means the points aren't on your licence) can give you 4 to 6 months and then a few weeks before the date, have a change of heart, humble yourself and do some grovelling, take the punishment and then deal with it.

alternatively you may have some evidence that judges tend to assrape people who do this and give them 5 points and 800 quid.. that would make me swallow it right there and bend over.

like I said, I'm not trying to avoid the ultimate outcome and I'm not trying to say I'm in the right (much ;)) I just figured I might as well treat it with the respect I believe it deserves which is next to none. Had a copper pulled me and given me chapter and verse at high volume with wagging finger on why he was gunning there then this thread wouldn't exist.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
it takes a fraction of a second to check your speedo. literally.
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A fraction of a second is all it takes to miss something, or break your scan pattern, plus on a sports bike (I know thats not the case with the OP) it takes longer than that as the speedo isnt really in the line of sight - I hate looking away from the road when I'm on a bike, especially in built up areas. I'm confident enough to know when I'm roughly doing the limit, but these cameras have no discretion - a few mph over and thats 3 poitns and £60 please. And when you have a camera every hundred metres it really does reduce your attention on the road.

Having said all that I've still managed to keep a clean license for the last 17 years, due partly to careful driving and healthy dose of luck :D
 
Sagalout said:
A fraction of a second is all it takes to miss something, or break your scan pattern, plus on a sports bike (I know thats not the case with the OP) it takes longer than that as the speedo isnt really in the line of sight - I hate looking away from the road when I'm on a bike, especially in built up areas. I'm confident enough to know when I'm roughly doing the limit, but these cameras have no discretion - a few mph over and thats 3 poitns and £60 please. And when you have a camera every hundred metres it really does reduce your attention on the road.

Having said all that I've still managed to keep a clean license for the last 17 years, due partly to careful driving and healthy dose of luck :D
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do you really have much to fear from forward facing cameras?
 
@ the OP

one things for sure, the courts hate being ignored/disrespected/being given the runaround.

you need to shell out for some legal representation IMHO.
(or get some free if you're entitled.)
 
yes but that goes back to my point about it being undefendable.

I agree, if I were on a bike the last thing I would be doing is looking down at the speedo and I guess if I were a copper i might take that into account.

The van/camera is just pass/pass/pass/fail/pass/fail all day...
 
matt100 said:
yes but that goes back to my point about it being undefendable.

I agree, if I were on a bike the last thing I would be doing is looking down at the speedo and I guess if I were a copper i might take that into account.

The van/camera is just pass/pass/pass/fail/pass/fail all day...
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well, more people manage not be get snapped by mobile vans than those who get caught...so either they're all fantastically lucky to avoid these instant accidents, or it's not hard to avoid at all.
 
matt100 said:
seriously mate don't start trolling my thread, if you haven't got any other input please shove off and up your postcount somewhere else.
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Well I'm not trolling your thread, My point was that I dont always agree with the limits but the fact is that they are limits. It was not posted to agrravate you.

As for post count, who cares?
 
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