FFS think I've been done for speeding AGAIN.. HELP!

It is so easy to exceed 50 or 60mph in a 50 zone, it's just a matter of luck whether the buggers are there to catch you or not. Most 50's in my area could easily be 70's as they are two lanes in either direction and well separated from the edge of the road and from oncoming traffic.

Also, matt100, nobody here seems to really acknowledge the fact that you're rattling up 30,000 miles a year - I do about 1500 miles a month and I think that's massive, and feel I'm never off the road etc. 30k miles is a lot of driving and a lot of speed limits to cater for, and especially in areas that you mightn't be familiar with, limit signs can be easy to miss.

Also, cruise control is a must in any decent car these days. Coming onto a motorway, I would horse my car round roundabouts and accelerate off them pretty quick, but as soon as I hit 75 I tap the cruise control and just sit back. In a big, modern car it's very deceiving as to what speed you're actually doing and it's too easy to go over.

Not that my post is remotely answering any of your questions but thought I'd leave some sort of contribution :p
 
The_Dark_Side said:
i'd estimate it takes me around 1/3-1/2 second to check the speedo.
as i'm aware if my car is accelerating or not i can do this as and when necessary. given the mileage i cover i'd have accidents regularly if glancing at my speedo the way i do required some superhuman ability.
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I could say the same, given I do high mileage (although it's come down in recent years) and have a clean accident history and licence.

My argument, however, is that the current all or nothing focus on speed forces me to look at the speedo more than is necessary, because the safe speed isn't related to the number on the dial, only the legal speed.

Fundamentally, I want safer roads, and road safety policy that achieves this. Anything that creates unnecessary burdens on the public without adding to safety isn't acceptable, and that's what blanket, strict and absolute speed enforcement does.

as for the camera it takes a fraction of a second to get snapped, but if i'm trying to abide by the limit that's an impossibility. if all car speedos read true, and the police would fine you for 1mph over the limit then i'd agree 100% with you.
but as they don't on both counts i don't.
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Is the speed showing on the speedo a primary safety consideration for you?
 
better let my brother in law know that the people he works for (GATSO) should come to OcUK and catch up on the pub talk.

GPS testing data available shows that you can easily go through a speed camera in a 50mph zone at 58mph. thats 10% + 3
 
Butters said:
better let my brother in law know that the people he works for (GATSO) should come to OcUK and catch up on the pub talk.

GPS testing data available shows that you can easily go through a speed camera in a 50mph zone at 58mph. thats 10% + 3
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If you are so confident why not set up a video and show us?
 
Ok

Also, I've just checked the ACPO guidelines which indicate 10%+3 too.

Plenty of info on google about it too. Some respectable, some a bit like these forums.
 
Butters said:
ACPO guidelines which indicate 10%+3 too.
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They are exactly that - guidelines.

This means that whatever your clued up brother may think, each force can apply this as they choose. People have been prosecuted for 1mph over the limit, and I myself have been done for 47 in a 40 - hang on, isn't that within the tolerances of your mighty 10%+3 "rule"?
 
emailiscrap said:
They are exactly that - guidelines.

This means that whatever your clued up brother may think, each force can apply this as they choose. People have been prosecuted for 1mph over the limit, and I myself have been done for 47 in a 40 - hang on, isn't that within the tolerances of your mighty 10%+3 "rule"?
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NO PERSONAL ATTACKS

Dangerous

In which case, why is everyone else saying IT IS 10% +2 when it clearly isnt?

Surely its better to assume that there are no tolerances.
 
Which was exactly my point. You were the one spouting off about this tolerance which you were suggesting was set in stone.
 
I never said it was set in stone. Most forces do apply the 10%+3 rule and as such it is fair to take it as a guideline. Obviously not speeding at all rules out this problem compeltely.

I'm not promoting that everyone should drive through a 50 at 58mph its just you start reading this thread and on page one, people are saying, "you'll be ok, its 10%+2 so don't worry". (summarising).

What we should be saying is, wait till the thing comes through the door, take it on the chin. You were speeding, if you want to keep your licence learn how to stay within the limit
 
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GPS testing data available shows that you can easily go through a speed camera in a 50mph zone at 58mph. thats 10% + 3
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No, not advocating it much at all, were you....

Any my comment was based on the information you were incorrectly offering, and are now backtracking on.

But anyway, enough of trashing this thread... I'm done here.
 
emailiscrap said:
No, not advocating it much at all, were you....

Any my comment was based on the information you were incorrectly offering, and are now backtracking on.

But anyway, enough of trashing this thread... I'm done here.
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Yes, I said GPS testing data, not Gatso testing data.
 
Dolph said:
Is the speed showing on the speedo a primary safety consideration for you?
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no, the speed on the dial is only relevant to me avoiding a conviction. I'm more than experienced enough to assess how fast I can drive before safety is compromised. I break the limit every day with no exceptions, but I also have a clean license. it takes me absolutely no extra effort whatsoever to keep to said limit if that's what I'm trying to do, whereas there are members in here that seem to think its a physical impossibility to do so.
all I'm saying is if you're trying to abide by the limit there is no excuse for being snapped other than a lack of observation/perception skills.
I'm not trying to stick to the limits so I have no excuse if and when I'm caught.
 
matt100 said:
OK, I think I was zapped today and I think I was speeding, it was a stretch of the A31 in Dorset towards Poole just after the road goes down from a national speed limit to a 50 (although carries on being an unpopulated dual carriageway with no pedestrian crossing points but hey.. thats just detail.

I looked at my speedo when I saw the van and I think I was doing about 65mph, maybe a bit less, certainly not giving it the beans lets put it that way.

Can anyone offer any guidance?
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Er are you talking about the Poole side of the A31 around Wimborne or the Ringwood St Leonards side heading into ferndown where they dropped the limit to 50 not so long ago?

Either way if your local ish and know the roads then they are well known Speed Camera Van sites in case you didn't know ;)

Bad luck really, probably nothing you can do but add to the statistics in the Echo article :(
 
matt100 said:
OK, I think I was zapped today and I think I was speeding, it was a stretch of the A31 in Dorset towards Poole just after the road goes down from a national speed limit to a 50 (although carries on being an unpopulated dual carriageway with no pedestrian crossing points but hey.. thats just detail.

I looked at my speedo when I saw the van and I think I was doing about 65mph, maybe a bit less, certainly not giving it the beans lets put it that way.

I have 6 points already, 1 sp30 in oct 2005 for 39 in a 30, 1 sp 30 in feb 2006 for 85 in a 70 (A417 in glos if anyone knows it, yet another arrow straight dual carriageway through the middle of nowhere).

So I'm facing 9 points and the brink of a ban until next October when 3 come off and obviously another 3 quickly after that.

Not interested in the insurance hike, I'm 30, have about 7 years ncb, driving a Focus ST and I was quoted £650 with 6 points or £715 with 9 so that makes almost no difference to my life whatsoever (and I think shows the insurance companies views of speeding tickets too tbh).

The problem is I do 30k a year and need my licence so I would like to drag things out as long as possible to get as close to next winter as I can to when 6 points drop off.

So what do I do, assuming I get a NIP next week.. what are the best stalling tactics? Is the PACE thing still a go-er? I'm happy to drag this right to the line then plead guilty if that buys me 4 or 5 or maybe more months.

Frankly I'm bloody angry that my livelihood could be at risk because of a civilian in a van with no discretion and no interest in whether what I was doing was safe (which I'm sure it was).. Which is why I want to be as arkward as possible, civil disobedience is at the heart of british democracy :)

It was clear, dry, broad daylight, 1pm so virtually no traffic, I wasn't overtaking, there are no side turnings and ironically I was watching the road rather than the laybyes, I honestly believe that I couldn't have been decribed as doing anything other than breaking the letter of the law.

Speaking to a copper friend and he confirmed with that sort of behaviour the police wouldn't have raised an eyebrow unless they wanted to check if the car was nicked.

It all seems so futile, the local paper was even carrying a headline of "50,000 motorists caught speeding in Dorset". I'll admit my first one a few years ago was naughty and I pay a lot of respect for 30mph limits (like the unpoliced road outside my daughters school that is literally deadly at rush hour).

The last 2 have been nothing other than money raisers, full stop in my opinion.

Can anyone offer any guidance?
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Say someone else who is registered/insured was driving your vehicle...maybe they can take the points?
 
Is it me or is matt100 the most arrogant, rude and aggresive person we've had bitching about getting nicked all year?

Just an observation, like.
 
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