FIA Formula E Championship

Glaucus · 14 Dec 2013 at 11:13

The leaf has fast charging.

The Honda fit is capable of a full charge in 10mins if Honda fitted fast charging capability.

It is still not 8hrs not even close. The average is also far far lower than 80miles a day. Iirc the avarage mileage is something like 36miles a day,
Ev is not currently suitable for a lot of people, although tesla S makes it suitable for a lot. Fit/leaf are designed as city cars with low millage.

This does in no way mean that it will stay this way.

Skeeter · 14 Dec 2013 at 11:15

None of the fast chargers can be used at home.

Glaucus · 14 Dec 2013 at 11:18

Skeeter said:
None of the fast chargers can be used at home.

Nor can you fill up petrol at home, and actually fast chargers can be used at home, they're just expensive, they're down to about $11k now and off course need new wiring, so depends on your local grid. several rich people have fast chargers in their garage.

You also realise they are upgrading the national grid at 3billion a year. Not all for ev, a lot of it is renewable as well as smarter grid. But it is being upgraded in anticipation of evs, at home generation and mass renewable.

Skeeter · 14 Dec 2013 at 11:21

Wow, £11k and rewiring my house to industrial standards. Sounds convenient.

deuse · 14 Dec 2013 at 11:49

Glaucus said:
Hydrogen fuel cells are not the way forward at all. For many many reasons. We also aren't in short supply, unless you only read scaremongering articles.

You mean like the same articles that say the world is warming up because of cars and that's why governments put a tax on it?
You can run out of the materials to make batteries we won't ever run out of Hydrogen.
Even the guy here that works for Williams said the same about batteries\resources.

Replacing batteries isn't going to be an issue, the ones in the Honda fit for example, will last longer than the expected car life. scib cells are good for 6000+ cycles. Manufactures are aiming for 150k mile car life. So even with the fits tiny battery pack, it will easily achieve the cars life. Let alone if they put a decent sized battery pack in, like on the tesla S.

Oh Honda the same company that is selling the Hydrogen car in 2015?
Oh I'm glad you mentioned MIT as they have said "Clean energy could lead to scarce materials" go read the MIT news site.

Anyway my batteries are running low time for a recharge

Skeeter · 14 Dec 2013 at 11:56

deuse said:
Anyway my batteries are running low time for a recharge

See you in 8 hours...

Glaucus · 14 Dec 2013 at 12:04

deuse said:
You mean like the same articles that say the world is warming up because of cars and that's why governments put a tax on it?
You can run out of the materials to make batteries we won't ever run out of Hydrogen.
Even the guy here that works for Williams said the same about batteries\resources.

Oh Honda the same company that is selling the Hydrogen car in 2015?
Oh I'm glad you mentioned MIT as they have said "Clean energy could lead to scarce materials" go read the MIT news site.

Anyway my batteries are running low time for a recharge

How do you cretae the hydrogen, how do you store t, how do you transport it. What are the fuel cells made out of?

You really are clueless on this subject and like disinformation
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011/06/albertus-20110617.html
Now take that with lithium recycling that is already available.

And no we aren't running out of stuff to make batteries out of. Do you even know what the batteries are made of and how much is avialble. Let alone other batteries. Lithium is also recyclable.

Hydrogen isn't the future and never was. It has far to many downsides and no upsides.

deuse · 14 Dec 2013 at 12:56

Glaucus said:
How do you cretae the hydrogen, how do you store t, how do you transport it. What are the fuel cells made out of?

We will see when the Honda car comes out and there are more hydrogen refuelling points the electric

But what we do know is that it has a range of more than 300 miles will be possible from a 100kW hydrogen fuel cell stack that has a power density of 3kW/L.
which is 60-percent higher than it was before while being 33-percent smaller than the stack in the FCX.

You really are clueless on this subject and like disinformation
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011/06/albertus-20110617.html
Now take that with lithium recycling that is already available.

Well no. You posted about what MIT said as you thought that it would look good then I posted
something else what MIT have said and your come back is to say "I'm clueless" as the yanks say What Ever.

And no we aren't running out of stuff to make batteries out of. Do you even know what the batteries are made of and how much is avialble. Let alone other batteries. Lithium is also recyclable.

You do know there is only ONE planet in the world that recycles Lithium and that's the Umicore's Hoboken plant in Belgium that's still at a demonstration stage.

Hydrogen isn't the future and never was. It has far to many downsides and no upsides.

hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe so it makes perfect sense to back that for future power source.

As for my power source another bacon buttie is on it's way

EDIT= I forgot to sat the fuel-cell powertrain that Honda says fits entirely in the “engine” room of the vehicle
so another good thing about the fuel-cell powertrain.

Glaucus · 14 Dec 2013 at 13:04

More hydrogen refilling than chargers, you having a Girrafe. Hydrogen is not widely available. Theres no infrastructure to support it for vehicles and isn't being built.
Compared to thousands of charging stations already in place and being used, a massive national grid already set up and mass power stations already exist producing electricity.

Only one recycling plant, give over here's another http://toxco.com/processes.html and theres more than that as well. Not that they are even needed at the moment. Did you even glimpse at the report, that doesn't even take into account recycling and can still produce enough batteries for more cars than the world currently has. Lithium isn't the only suitable battery either.

Hydrogen might be most abundant, but its extremely energy intensive to get. And far less efficient than batteries end to end. Its also extremely hard to store. Every single part of hydrogen creation and supply still needs research and isn't ready. Where batteries are ready and available to the public and are getting better all the time.

And wheres this MiT report.seeing as mit says this, which isnt what you say http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/finalwebsite/problems/raremetals.html

Although there maybe short term supply issues as production needs to ramp up to meet demand.

Guerrilla · 19 Dec 2013 at 14:53

Di Grassi has quit as the Formula E test driver as he hopes to be able to race in the series. He will surely be a good addition to any of the teams due to the amount of experience he has driving the car.

Guerrilla · 8 Jan 2014 at 08:35

FIA Formula E Championship launches new Drivers' Club

Of the first eight names, Switzerland’s Sebastien Buemi, Indian driver Karun Chandhok, Italy’s Vitantonio Liuzzi, Lucas di Grassi from Brazil and Japanese driver Takuma Sato have all previously raced in Formula One, while China’s Ma Qing Hua has been a test driver for both HRT and Caterham F1. Meanwhile, USA racer Marco Andretti – son of the legendary Michael Andretti – is one of IndyCar’s top drivers finishing fifth this season, while Frenchman Adrien Tambay has raced in Formula 3, GP3, Formula Renault 3.5 and more recently DTM

Pretty positive stuff there in my opinion.

Guerrilla · 27 Jan 2014 at 16:27

Formula E reveals next eight names to join Drivers' Club

The next eight drivers to join Formula E’s new Drivers’ Club have today (27, January) been revealed with Bruno Senna, Sébastien Bourdais, Oriol Servia, Daniel Abt, Narain Karthikeyan, Christijan Albers, Franck Montagny & John R. Hildebrand Jr. all showing their support for the new global electric racing series.

Guerrilla · 13 Feb 2014 at 08:22

The remaining drivers to sign up to Formula E’s new Drivers’ Club have today

The remaining drivers to sign up to Formula E’s new Drivers’ Club have today (12 February) been revealed with Jaime Alguersuari, Nicolas Minassian, Alex Brundle, Robert Doornbos, Christian Klien, Conor Daly, Katherine Legge and Ben Collins all showing their support for the new global electric racing series.

~Mike~ · 13 Feb 2014 at 09:34

Any news on TV coverage in the UK?

Guerrilla · 13 Feb 2014 at 09:38

Don't think anything has been announced/finalized yet but there have been talks with both Sky and BT Sport.

Guerrilla · 13 Feb 2014 at 10:07

First race drivers have been announced...

ABT Sportsline unveils Formula E driver line-up with Lucas di Grassi & Daniel Abt

No surprise Daniel got a drive, Di Grassi could prove a really good signing though, he has had a fair bit of running in these cars already and is a decent driver.

Glaucus · 13 Feb 2014 at 17:38

Just came in here to post that.
Have we seen any of the actual circuit layouts yet?

Guerrilla · 14 Feb 2014 at 08:56

I don't believe there has been anything official released with regards to layouts.

I suppose with it not starting till September they still have time to get everything sorted.

ci_newman · 14 Feb 2014 at 09:23

So all of the drivers in FormulaE were drivers who weren't good enough in F1?

Guerrilla · 14 Feb 2014 at 09:41

ci_newman said:
So all of the drivers in FormulaE were drivers who weren't good enough in F1?

Well so far we only have 2 'official' drivers announced, as in signed with a team.

The Drivers Club thing is a bit of a strange thing, it's to show drivers which "endorse Formula E" and are willing to race... Although there is an element of what you said I think some of those drivers were just unlucky and perhaps didn't get a fair showing in F1.