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Fidelity Super Resolution in 2021

Wrinkly said:
I agree free to use open standards are preferable. I also beleive AMD is a better company overall. The problem is that the proprietary crap that Nvidia pulls is simply better.
  • I was happy to keep the FPS provided by my 1080Ti and so when I upgraded it was simply for RT. Ampere's RT performance is up to 100% more than RDNA2.
  • I've been looking for a decent Freesync ultra wide monitor for my 3080, yet everything I look at mentions flicker at low frame rates.
  • I am very happy to see AMD launch FSR. It looks great for what it is, but again DLSS provides better image quality and for good reason.
And the final kick in the teeth? The price for the 6800XT is the same as the 3080.

So am I a fanboy white knighting Nvidia, while crapping on AMD, or just a consumer buying the best products at the time?

Our favourite website has a new article - No, AMD’s FSR (FidelityFX Super Resolution) Is Not A DLSS Alternative, And Here Is Why You Should Care - https://wccftech.com/no-amds-fsr-fi...-alternative-and-here-is-why-you-should-care/.

humbug said:
DLSS doesn't run on consoles, it will be all but gone in 2 years.
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Of course DLSS doesn't run on consoles. Personally I can't imagine PC gamers abandoning DLSS in favour of FSR. Indeed I have already commented that AMD will hold back PC gaming with RDNA2 and was shot down for it.

Wrinkly said:
I was happy to keep the FPS provided by my 1080Ti and so when I upgraded it was simply for RT. Ampere's RT performance is up to 100% more than RDNA2.
humbug said:
With Nvidia sponsored games, those games also run like crap on Nvidia, just not as crap, Games with RT coming out now are much better than that, because Nvidia had no involvement.
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Recent RT titles such as Dirt 5, Godfall, Metro Exodus Enhanced, RE Village, etc. use only a simplified form and subset of RT. With the exception of Metro Exodus Enhanced, which was a free upgrade, these are games that have held back IQ due to AMD's RT performance being so poor. I welcome FSR as it should allow AMD sponsored titles to do a bit more with RT.

I've had no issues running Nvidia sponsored RT titles with a 3080 even though I still use an ancient Ivy Bridge system, 3770k and DDR3.

Wrinkly said:
I've been looking for a decent Freesync ultra wide monitor for my 3080, yet everything I look at mentions flicker at low frame rates.
humbug said:
Get a GPU that can run games at more than 18 FPS
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You appear to conceed Freesync still has issues at lower FPS? There are no CPU/GPU combinations that won't dip to lower FPS when using the PC for more than just gaming. For example alt tabbing back and forth will stall FPS. I tend to have skype calls on the go or the TV in a window. At the moment I have to close web browsers and virtual machines to game, but I'd rather not with a new CPU. These are applications that can and will use hardware acceleration, which in turn can easily stall FPS in a game.

Wrinkly said:
I am very happy to see AMD launch FSR. It looks great for what it is, but again DLSS provides better image quality and for good reason.
humbug said:
Nvidia shills are passing judgement on FSR before even seeing it, DLSS is worse than native image quality, its probably not going to look as good as the best examples on DLSS but its going to look better than Nvidia's first attempt at it and like DLSS FSR will also improve in time.
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Who's shilling? You admit yourself that FSR is probably not going to look as good as the best examples on DLSS. People far more patient than I have even taken the time to explain in some detail why FSR won't look as good as DLSS. This idea that FSR will improve over time is great. Let me know when it catches up. Rumours are that RNDA3 will add some ML hardware to aid in this.

humbug said:
PS: why are you looking for a Free Sync monitor? What, doesn't G-Sync have HDR or something? Are you not able to find one?
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For the obvious reason I don't want to be tied to Nvidia.

PS: What is going on with the levels of paranoia? Digital Foundry, WCCFtech, people with some working knowledge of the industry are all just fanboys, shills and only love Nvidia? Even AMD's poster child commented how much DF liked RE Village. Then after they posted a very restrained and justified PC review that was not so favourable, claimed that DF were just following the money. Wouldn't it be simpler just to point out what the advantage AMD brings to the table in comparisson rather than all this BS?
 
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humbug said:
All FSR has to do is not be worse than DLSS 1, FSR will will get crapped on by some, others will be more balanced, they will all say DLSS 2 is better, and they would be right.
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I can't wait for all the people who love DLSS because you need a "microscope" to tell the difference between DLSS and native begin talking about how DLSS is superior to FSR because they used a "microscope" to tell the difference.:cry:

I'm going to get some popcorn, any requests while i'm out.:D
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
I can't wait for all the people who love DLSS because you need a "microscope" to tell the difference between DLSS and native begin talking about how DLSS is superior to FSR because they used a "microscope" to tell the difference.:cry:

I'm going to get some popcorn, any requests while i'm out.:D
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https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/a...tra-quality-shows-visible-quality-loss,6.html
With these kinds of comparisons , you could put the FSR screen shots on the moon and tell the difference with your naked eye:D
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
I can't wait for all the people who love DLSS because you need a "microscope" to tell the difference between DLSS and native begin talking about how DLSS is superior to FSR because they used a "microscope" to tell the difference.:cry:

I'm going to get some popcorn, any requests while i'm out.:D
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Salted for me please Chuk.
 
Wrinkly said:
:cry:
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Didn't you used to say the same thing about DLSS? That it looked like crap etc. So if DLSS looked like crap at the start and has improved why must AMD be held to higher standards and not given the same leeway?

Honest question and stop with the petty trolling responses. If FSR is somwhere around DLSS 1.5 and gives a boost to those with older GPUs and consoles, along with a potential for improvement in IQ over the coming months or years (like DLSS) and wider adoption. Would you consider it a success?

Or is this another one of those threads you and D.P. automatically go into Nvidia defence mode and AMD = bad?
 
ICDP said:
Didn't you used to say the same thing about DLSS? That it looked like crap etc. So if DLSS looked like crap at the start and has improved why must AMD be held to higher standards and not given the same leeway?

Honest question and stop with the petty trolling responses. If FSR is somwhere around DLSS 1.5 and gives a boost to those with older GPUs and consoles, along with a potential for improvement in IQ over the coming months or years (like DLSS) and wider adoption. Would you consider it a success?

Or is this another one of those threads you and D.P. automatically go into Nvidia defence mode and AMD = bad?
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Yes, I called out DLSS as garbage when it first arrived.

No, I've not said FSR looks like crap. I've been very positive for FSR in the hope AMD can turn up the use of RT in AMD sponsored titles.

Not sure where you are getting defence mode from....

Wrinkly said:
PS: What is going on with the levels of paranoia? Digital Foundry, WCCFtech, people with some working knowledge of the industry are all just fanboys, shills and only love Nvidia? Even AMD's poster child commented how much DF liked RE Village. Then after they posted a very restrained and justified PC review that was not so favourable, claimed that DF were just following the money. Wouldn't it be simpler just to point out what the advantage AMD brings to the table in comparisson rather than all this BS?
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Wrinkly said:
Yes, I called out DLSS as garbage when it first arrived.

No, I've not said FSR looks like crap. I've been very positive for FSR in the hope AMD can turn up the use of RT in AMD sponsored titles.

Not sure where you are getting defence mode from....
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Thank you and that matches my own opnion quite well.
 
Wrinkly said:
It just happened to follow a game that both looks great and performs great with both RT and DLSS -
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Yea, as do other games, DLSS, at least in its second implementation can be very good, no one is denying that, so i don't see the point you're making?

Also, you do know that Digital Foundry are know to have taken money from Nvidia to write misleading crap?
 
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