FIFA World Cup 2014 - GROUP D [Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy - 14/19/20/24 June] **spoilers**

See, this is the thing I absolutely hate about England and it's support/media. Every single time it's the Managers fault. We've had plenty of managers, and it's always been their fault - Even though it's mostly been the same players.. Not say something?

And you would find some way to blame Roy if we won the damn thing, so I can't really take your opinion in anyway seriously when it comes to him.

He never would win it so it's not even something to consider

Capello shouldn't have been sacked and I didn't think it was his fault.

I don't hate it I find it funny, listening to that talk show in the taxi last night with Stan Collymore on the radio had me in stitches
 
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Of course you can point to individual errors. You can point to players who dont look interested and shouldn't be there. You can say what you want about Rooney, Gerrard etc. Do we really all think for one minute England would have beat Italy and Uruguay without them on the pitch ???

If you wan't to start laying blame then get it on the doorstep of The FA. Blaming Gerrard and Rooney is just buying into the sensationalist clap trap spun by the redtops.

Remember it's successive England TEAMS, MANAGERS and FA's that have failed to deliver a decent infrastructure to nurture coaching and footballing talent. Football is about making mistakes and finding the solutions to overcoming them. So to label it on one or two players is frankly ludicrous
 
...yet another **** display at a Championship? Will we balls.

Another? He's was far and away our best player at the last Euros and the WC under Capello.

Had we had a competent manager and picked a system that worked, with Gerrard playing in a deep lying role with 2 runners either side of him not only would Gerrard individually been a huge asset to us but the team would have been much better balanced too.

We have Hodgson though :/
 
Always the managers fault, who's fault was it when he played in the striker against France?

Hoddle I can't remember who was manager then!
 
That's the whole point though, pick 5 Liverpool players but then try to shoe horn them into a system that just doesnt work. The buck stops at Hodgepodge.

All Stevie's fault though

Edit, why are people dragging up games 10 years in the past to try and say Gerrard is crap?
 
Do we really all think for one minute England would have beat Italy and Uruguay without them on the pitch ???

Andy Townsend (lol) was hugely dismissive of Uruguay at the start of the game, its like folks forget they are the current South American Champions and got to the semi's last World Cup.
 
Does anyone feel a little like that don't actually care this time out. Since I was a small child and appreciated football the best we have done is a semi final in Euro96.

This is no surprise and I have not put any faith in a team I know will not proceed past the last 16 at best.
To say we have gone out, 1 game before we were likely to anyway is no shock and no disappointment tbh.

All I'm saying is at least we got to the finals at all.
 
It's been Eriksson, McClaren, Capello and now Hodgsons fault.. Sooner or later (hopefully) people are going to realise the players are the ones at fault.

And I don't mean just Rooney or Gerrard, or Beckham before. The collective. As a whole, our squad is just not good enough, and has not been good enough for a long time. Compared to most nations we are technically deficient, due to a lack of coaching at young ages. Power and pace can only get you so far, and against technically superior teams, it normally means not far.
 
I personally don't think we have the right players for the 4-2-3-1 system.

Technically we do, as our technical attributes as a team (and individually) are strong, but I think we lack the essential temperament to get this system to work. We lack the experience, concentration, focus and decision-making ability that other teams possess who employ that particular formation.

It requires a very fluid style of play, and sadly I don't think that the majority of our players are up to scratch in the mental toughness.

Aside from that, our better chances, and indeed goals, have come from out wide - both Rooney and Sturridge scored from crosses (also the 4-2-3-1 deploys wide players who can push forward, whilst also encouraging overlapping full backs). My issue with Roy's interpretation of this is that I don't think Sturridge or Rooney are line-leading attackers. Sturridge is becoming a great striker, but he drops deep (either at Roy's instruction or his own) meaning that when we get the ball out wide there's so few options in the box. Sterling, Sturridge and Rooney aren't exactly a massive threat in the air, nor do they have the top class movement that small top strikers possess - see Suarez last night.

I really think we should have gone with Lambert last night. He's a target, he's strong, he's got excellent technique and is a finisher. We need a target up top (Shearer and Crouch have proved successful at international football/international tournaments) and sadly we've really lacked that threat this time round.

Lastly, I don't really understand the bashing of Rooney or Johnson. I think they've played better than most in the team so far, and have chipped in with goals and assists. Johnson has got to be one of the only full backs in the tournament that can beat a player both ways (oo er) and that's an essential skill to have. The four goals we've conceded haven't really been at their hands either, although admittedly Johnson could have closed down Cavani with a bit more bite yesterday).
 
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In some ways, I wonder if Lambert had the same chances as Rooney would he have scored in those. But we may never know now, not unless Lambert is given a chance against Costa Rica, but again, it will be just another reminder of what might have been.
 
In some ways, I wonder if Lambert had the same chances as Rooney would he have scored in those. But we may never know now, not unless Lambert is given a chance against Costa Rica, but again, it will be just another reminder of what might have been.

This really. Yesterday, Lambert was subbed on with 5(?) minutes remaining. What can he do in that time?!
 
Edit, why are people dragging up games 10 years in the past to try and say Gerrard is crap?

I'm not saying he's crap, he's obviously not but he's never performed for England and never gets criticized.

Why are Liverpool fans incapable of admitting he has never performed for England? It's always Welbeck/Rooney/Cleverley/Beckham/Neville etc's fault.

The sooner Stevie Me retires, the sooner England can move forward.
 
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to be fair with 6 minutes to go it was one all so whats the point in your statement? :confused:

Suarez was likely to always get a 2nd as our defence was a shambles, it was just a case of when. Lambert wouldn't have prevented or scored within the same time simply because their defence (shockingly) was better at keeping us out than we were against them. But if Lambert had been on earlier and was handed the same chances as Rooney, it might have been different.
 
to be fair with 6 minutes to go it was one all so whats the point in your statement? :confused:

5 mins or 6 mins is irrelevant. He should have been on much earlier - or from the start. He have so little presence up top that it looks like we're an under 16s side playing against men!
 
Sturridge is becoming a great striker, but he drops deep

He dropped deep because like every other striker we've played up front (Heskey, Defoe in SA 2010 etc) he doesn't get any service from the players behind him, he'd happily sit on the shoulder of the last defender like he does for Liverpool every week if it looked like we might slip a ball in behind but for 70mins yesterday we never threatened to do so. Rooney only has one World Cup goal because every tournament we play absolute rubbish.

I was proud after the Italy game at all of the praise we got from international fans for being exciting (particularly in the first half) and not playing our usual boring way, so what happens the following match is that because Rooney isn't happy on the wing (defending is clearly beneath him) we revert back to our safe formation and go back to being one of the dullest, least creative teams in the World Cup but hey... at least Rooney shone and will continue to be the face of the England team.
 
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to be fair with 6 minutes to go it was one all so whats the point in your statement? :confused:

Never really understood this way of thinking, the change was needed well before then, why leave it so late.

5 mins or 6 mins is irrelevant. He should have been on much earlier - or from the start. He have so little presence up top that it looks like we're an under 16s side playing against men!

I agree. England had little presence up front against Italy. If Roy didn't want to start Lambert, at least get him out for the second half if you are 1-0 down! Rooney - Sturridge - Welbeck - Sterling got a grand total of 1 goal in the first 135 minutes of the World Cup. Surely Lambert deserves a chance!

England needed to win the game. Although a draw would have made England's qualification chances a bit brighter, it's still not enough. He put Lambert on in the last few minutes, which is not enough for a player to leave his mark. Also, the 5 (10 incl. stoppage time) were actually something like 3 with all the time wasted by Uruguay. Subs need more time to make a decent impact.

Same against Italy. Lallana was on in the last 10 minutes. Barkley was put on at the right time, around the hour mark.
 
I'm most annoyed at myself for starting to believe we could actually accomplish something at this World Cup :( Same ol' story every time.

Wait, if Italy win both games......... :D

Then we've still accomplished sod all as we've had to rely on another country's team to help us out.
 
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