FIFA World Cup 2014 - GROUP D [Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy - 14/19/20/24 June] **spoilers**

Shaw, Cole, Baines, funny how almost any top fullback can play either side, funny how Johnson filled in at left back for Liverpool and the other day for England, but none of the three better fullbacks we have who can't all start at left back... get tried at right back. Johnson is crap and he was woeful against Germany in the world cup, completely MIA for 1-2 of the goals, put in a weak ass soft as you like tackle for one, and position/reading of the game was horrible for another one.

he wasn't the only one at fault for sure but he was woeful defensively, he rarely has great games and usually makes huge huge mistakes in the majority of big games. There are also plenty of CB's who fill in at RB/LB, you might lose something offensively but you usually gain defensively.
 
Shaw, Cole, Baines, funny how almost any top fullback can play either side, funny how Johnson filled in at left back for Liverpool and the other day for England, but none of the three better fullbacks we have who can't all start at left back... get tried at right back. Johnson is crap and he was woeful against Germany in the world cup, completely MIA for 1-2 of the goals, put in a weak ass soft as you like tackle for one, and position/reading of the game was horrible for another one.

he wasn't the only one at fault for sure but he was woeful defensively, he rarely has great games and usually makes huge huge mistakes in the majority of big games. There are also plenty of CB's who fill in at RB/LB, you might lose something offensively but you usually gain defensively.

I have pretty much the same thoughts.

I never rate Walker either, and although Johnson is marginally better, that really isn't saying much. Both are pretty poo in those positions.

Maybe he can prove me wrong in this WC, but I just feel this area may get exploited if other teams are seeing the same thing (which they probably are).
 
I have pretty much the same thoughts.

I never rate Walker either, and although Johnson is marginally better, that really isn't saying much. Both are pretty poo in those positions.

Maybe he can prove me wrong in this WC, but I just feel this area may get exploited if other teams are seeing the same thing (which they probably are).

The thing is, that in my opinion Hodgson has the choice of going with Jones's defensive ability, or Johnson's ability going forward (although he was poor in that regard against Peru as well).

There's no point vilifying Johnson for not being a great defender. He's an attacking full back - if a manager is going to pick him, the manager must be aware of this and make the choice in full knowledge of that, with players in midfield who can fill the gaps left by him.

Yes, ideally we'd have a full back who is excellent going both ways, but we don't. Hodgson has to choose whether he wants one which will attack or one which will defend properly.
 
The thing is, that in my opinion Hodgson has the choice of going with Jones's defensive ability, or Johnson's ability going forward (although he was poor in that regard against Peru as well).

There's no point vilifying Johnson for not being a great defender. He's an attacking full back - if a manager is going to pick him, the manager must be aware of this and make the choice in full knowledge of that, with players in midfield who can fill the gaps left by him.

Yes, ideally we'd have a full back who is excellent going both ways, but we don't. Hodgson has to choose whether he wants one which will attack or one which will defend properly.

We have three fullbacks who are all much better than him defensively, one of whom is significantly better offensively, one who has the potential to be much better going forward, and in Cole, someone who has got his fair share of assists but has been throughout his career brilliant defensively.

The thing about Johnson is, if you neglect defensive work you need to be VERY good going forwards to compensate, he's not. I would say Dani Alves is better defensively(though pretty dodgy) than him but miles better going forward. Johnson sometimes does okay, but when you spend that much time in the opposition half you will get more chances and be more involved but he barely scores and doesn't assist much. Other fullbacks both score and assist more or the same while also being much stronger defensively.

If you're going to be as poor as he is defensively you need to be basically brilliant going forward and he isn't.

Baines is much much better defensive and much better going forwards.

Johnson got 2 assists and no goals with 20 shots this season.

Last season was laughable, 1 goal with 54 shots taken in the league alone, that is pathetic. 4 assists in 36 starts in the league, when he almost completely ignores the defensive side of his game.

Defence comes before attack at fullback. It's not even about how poor he is, tackling, blocking crosses, its positioning.

Look at Arsenal's(and Spurs) thrashings this year, the CB's are good but when the fullback is missing the CB's get pulled out of position. Defences as a whole work when the fullbacks get back and in to position 99% of the time, Johnson is woeful at this, as is Sagna, Gibbs, having a very poorly positioned fullback compromises the entire defence.

A fullback who can't be in position destroys your defence, quality attacking is a complete bonus at fullback, the fundamental nature of the role is defensive in nature and fullbacks that can't defend should not be fullbacks. I wouldn't have Johnson in the squad at all, and for the past 4 years I've have been trying anyone else there instead, and not Walker who is equally incompetent, nor trying Gibbs at right back because he's incompetent. Not trying Cole, Shaw or Baines at right back is a joke, most top fullbacks look perfectly fine if not 100% on the opposite side of the pitch, with three top left backs the chances that one of them looks comfortable on the other side is very very high. Baines or Cole at 60% of their normal quality would be a HUGE improvement at right back over Johnson.
 
Johnson does look like a liability, but I can't see Hodgson trying a LB on the right with 2 games to go before the tournament starts.

I don't either, now, however we should have tried it at any time in the past 4 years when Baines has been very good, and Shaw has showed his quality and the potential for significant improvement on top for the past 18 months.

Any time in the past 4 years we should have tried Cole or Baines at right back, in the last 18 months we could also have tried Shaw there. Ultimately we may be in the same situation they may be woeful at right back and be stuck with Johnson to some degree, though we could also have tried Jones or Smalling there. Now with the squad set it's generally speaking too late. Though would be quite funny if Johnson got injured and we started Baines at right back and it turned out he was great there.

Just irks me so much when someone so clearly poor is just consistently used rather than at least TRYING something different. What have we got to lose, we go back to Johnson, so nothing, on the off chance one of the other players is significantly stronger we find out, so nothing to lose yet we didn't even try.
 
England v Ecuador 7:30pm - 10:10pm ITV 1, I'd like to see Sterling, Lallana, Barkley, starting tomorrow. Bench rooney :p
 
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Well, no more moaning about not even trying someone other than Johnson at right back.

Milner will be playing there vs Ecuador.
 
meh, potentially worth a try but Milner isn't a top notch fullback who plays 30+ games a season in the fullback position. We have 3 such left backs(okay Cole played less for the first year in ages but has more than enough experience to play well without as many games). Playing someone like Milner, he could be better but he's just as likely to be similar or worse and be used as an excuse... Milner sucks and they can point at Johnson and say he's better.

Would laugh if Milner was brilliant but, again I've seen Baines, and Shaw, and Cole play great against some of the best teams in the world, Milner against Ecuador isn't going to convince me that he should start against say Germany in a knock out stage. Meh, it's not really important, I give England next to no chance to win, just frustrating when people do the same thing that doesn't work for, god knows. Was Johnson starting in 2008, 2006?
 
I feel sorry for Milner. Was actually at his best and bought by City when he was playing center mid. Ever since he's for some reason become a right sided player.
 
I think Rooney hurts the team playing the way he does (dropping deep and being sucked towards the ball all the time), he's meant to be playing on the left tonight at least Roy is experimenting with him.

I doubt he would be dropped from the team though especially in a tournament.
 
England XI: Foster, Milner, Shaw, Jones, Smalling, Lampard, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Barkley, Rooney, Lambert


:confused: Milner right back? 4-2-3-1 ... Barkley or Rooney on the wing?


Nice one Roy, make sure everyone is ready for the early flight back to the UK.
 
Seen on the Dmail that Italy have only sold 200 tickets.

Italy have sold just 200 tickets for their opening World Cup clash with England and have returned the rest of their allocation.
Italian supporters traditionally wait until the latter stages of the competition before travelling, meaning they will be heavily outnumbered for the game in Manaus on June 14.
In contrast, England have sold their 2,500 allocation to members of the official supporters club as well as the 3,800 tickets they were given for the match with Uruguay, reports the Daily Telegraph.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...ng-World-Cup-clash-England.html#ixzz33hBJc3h8
 
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