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Shamikebab said:
I wasn't a big supporter of his signing actually. Not sure where you got that from. I think I was on holiday at the time and didn't even comment on it.

"The decision to keep him in the summer"

I can't believe how many people need this explained to them. NOBODY WANTED HIM. He has a contract, we can't just get rid of him without paying off that entire contract. He had one offer on the table and he rejected it. What do you expect the club to do?

I love that you think you know better than me, A United fan, how United fans feel about Ronaldo though.
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I don't believe nobody wanted him. Had Utd been happy to take a hit then he'd have gone in the summer and I didn't say I know better than you about how Utd fans feel :confused:

I've said Utd are responsible for the fallout. They knew what they were signing and they knew how it would end if he wasn't given everything he wants. He's a tart, everybody knows he's a tart and he was always going to behave like a tart. If Utd were going to sign him and then not bow down to him then they are as responsible as he is for the reaction because they knew it was going to happen.
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Nope sorry you’re wrong on this one Baz.
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You can disagree if you want but as above, everybody knew Ronaldo was a tart and you cannot sign a tart and expect him not to be a tart.
 
BaZ87 said:
I don't believe nobody wanted him. Had Utd been happy to take a hit then he'd have gone in the summer and I didn't say I know better than you about how Utd fans feel :confused:

I've said Utd are responsible for the fallout. They knew what they were signing and they knew how it would end if he wasn't given everything he wants. He's a tart, everybody knows he's a tart and he was always going to behave like a tart. If Utd were going to sign him and then not bow down to him then they are as responsible as he is for the reaction because they knew it was going to happen.

You can disagree if you want but as above, everybody knew Ronaldo was a tart and you cannot sign a tart and expect him not to be a tart.
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So you don't believe ETH when he stated there were no offers and Ronaldo then backtracked on asking to leave? That is convenient. You're coming out with some crazy statements Baz. Now you're claiming the club was wrong for not putting him ahead of the club? What the hell dude, that is some ****** victim blaming there. I think you need to recognise that your views are extreme and likely not shared by most of the United fans you claim to speak for.


Still waiting for you to explain how we should have got rid of him in the summer without paying off his entire contract.
 
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So you don't believe ETH when he stated there were no offers and Ronaldo then backtracked on asking to leave? That is convenient. You're coming out with some crazy statements Baz. Now you're claiming the club was wrong for not putting him ahead of the club? What the hell dude, that is some ****** victim blaming there. I think you need to recognise that your views are extreme and likely not shared by most of the United fans you claim to speak for.


Still waiting for you to explain how we should have got rid of him in the summer without paying off his entire contract.
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Jesus, I'm being accused of victim blaming! :D And no, I absolutely am not blaming the club for not bowing down to him, what I'm saying is that his reaction is a result of Utd not bowing down to him. And the ultimate issue here is that whoever signed Ronaldo had to bow down to him or else this is what was going to happen.

When a club sign a player they are as responsible for that signing working as the player. Utd made, what I believe to be a rash, emotional decision to sign Ronaldo and they failed to make that signing work and the end result has been Ronaldo throwing a wobbly and Utd fans now hating him. It was inevitable the day Utd signed him and Utd have to accept their share of responsibility for that because they signed him knowing how he behaves.

And re ETH saying there was no offers, that's a bit vague and I'm sure we discussed this before. There might be no offers if, for example, Utd said we want our money back and no pay-off to Ronaldo/his agent. However if Utd said, you're free to go and we'll subsidise x% of your salary to go, then I have no doubt that somebody would have taken him.

edit: and it's a bit odd for you to comment on me not speaking for Utd fans, when I never have, while you are speaking on behalf of Utd fans :D It's even odder when throughout last season so many Utd fans were speaking out against Ronaldo and you were disagreeing with them :D
 
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So you wanted us to pay him to leave, lmao. And yes you are victim blaming. That is what happens when you blame the victim in a situation for the perpetrators actions.

Are you seriously claiming clubs are responsible for every action of a player because they signed him? You can't actually be claiming that right?

I'll give you a challenge, tell me one time when the club has acted unprofessionally towards Ronaldo this season. Just one. I can count an easy five where Ronaldo has done the opposite. The fact you think both are at fault is just sad.
 
We don't know 100% what happened over the summer but what we do know is that United never received an offer that was satisfactory. Satisfactory by all accounts was a buy with United getting a small fee and Ronaldos wages gone. That didn't happen so we kept him.

And yes, there was never realistically an outcome to United coming back that wasn't bad. I think I said as much when we signed him.

Things go well and we would sign him on extensions...until things didn't go well. Whether it happened after a year, 2 years or more, Ronaldo was always going to act like a massive **** once his star didn't burn brightly enough for a team to indulge his downsides.

Juventus got away with it because he wasn't quite finished when they got United to buy him. The whole world can see that Ronaldo is finished now. No one with even an ounce of sense would sign him at a big club. There is no question anymore.
 
Let's face it, we know that the interest wasn't there. Do you not think if Ronaldo wanted to leave and a club was interested it wouldn't be all over the internet? Why is it in Ronaldo's interest to keep it secret? Mendes was pimping him out to every club. if there had been interest he would 100% have been putting it out there trying to put pressure on the club.

ETH said Ronaldo asked to leave and he gave him a week to decide. Ronaldo came back a week later and decided to stay.

""He came in and said 'I will tell you in seven days if I want to stay'. He came back and said he did. Until that moment [the interview] I never heard anything [else].""
 
Shamikebab said:
So you wanted us to pay him to leave, lmao. And yes you are victim blaming. That is what happens when you blame the victim in a situation for the perpetrators actions.

Are you seriously claiming clubs are responsible for every action of a player because they signed him? You can't actually be claiming that right?

I'll give you a challenge, tell me one time when the club has acted unprofessionally towards Ronaldo this season. Just one. I can count an easy five where Ronaldo has done the opposite. The fact you think both are at fault is just sad.
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Shami your anger at anybody saying something negative about Utd makes debating with you difficult because you don't seem to follow what's being said. I didn't say Utd have acted unprofessionally to Ronaldo nor have I claimed to speak for Utd fans as you've kept saying. I've said Utd have their share of the blame for the subsequent fallout because they knew what they were getting into when they signed him. As I said in my first reply, you cannot buy a lion and expect him to behave like a pet cat and this is the issue - according to your defence of Utd, you think Utd can sign Ronaldo and expect him to behave like Donny van de Beek. That just fantasy stuff I'm afraid.

When you sign Ronaldo you know what you're getting and when the inevitable fall out happens, you're as responsible as he is because you bought him knowing it would happen.

And answering your questions, yes I think Utd should have done whatever it took to get rid of him because you knew it was going to turn terrible if not and yes I believe clubs have their share of responsibility for the success of signings, of course I do.
 
So Zouma kicking a cat was partially on West Ham then? Di Canio being a racist was partially on Lazio? How far does your victim blaming go?

I'm capable of reading thanks, but nice of you to throw in a little insult. You have claimed that both the club and the player are at fault. Yet only one has acted unprofessionally. United have acted almost perfectly, they gave him time with the family when he needed it. They gave him time to consider whether he wanted to leave. They gave him the ******* armband after what he pulled. All they expected was he honour is contract after agreeing to stay.

Baz verdict: Both at fault clearly.
 
Shamikebab said:
So Zouma kicking a cat was partially on West Ham then? Di Canio being a racist was partially on Lazio? How far does your victim blaming go?

I'm capable of reading thanks, but nice of you to throw in a little insult. You have claimed that both the club and the player are at fault. Yet only one has acted unprofessionally. United have acted almost perfectly, they gave him time with the family when he needed it. They gave him time to consider whether he wanted to leave. They gave him the ******* armband after what he pulled. All they expected was he honour is contract after agreeing to stay.

Baz verdict: Both at fault clearly.
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Shami you're being a bit silly now. I did not claim a club is responsible for every players, every single action. I said they are responsible for the success of that signing. You say you're capable of reading but you're claiming I'm saying things which I have never said and you're failing to understand what I thought was a very basic point.

I have not, nor have I ever said Utd have done anything wrong by Ronaldo but that is not the issue here. When you buy somebody that you know acts in a certain way, you are as much to blame when they act in that same way on your own watch. I don't understand what is difficult to understand there.

When Liverpool were going through various drama's involving Suarez in years gone by, I always said the club cannot complain because they signed him knowing what he was like. Liverpool had to take their share of responsibility for what Suarez done because they signed him knowing he was capable of doing those things. The exact same applies to Utd with Ronaldo behaving like a tart.

I'm not sure where I've insulted you btw :confused:
 
urgh this is classic Baz, make numerous silly claims. Backtrack and start glossing over them when corrected. Then start throwing out insults (if you don't see how claiming I can't follow a thread or understand simple points is an insult...) You seem to think victim blaming is just fine which is....wow.

See you when you do it again in a few months.
 
Shamikebab said:
urgh this is classic Baz, make numerous silly claims. Backtrack and start glossing over them when corrected. Then start throwing out insults (if you don't see how claiming I can't follow a thread or understand simple points is an insult...) You seem to think victim blaming is just fine which is....wow.

See you when you do it again in a few months.
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Please quote these claims I've made, which you say I've backtracked on. This is classic you however, say anything negative about Utd and you'll get very upset and end up twisting and turning like a twisty turny thing.
 
Claim no.1

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It's quite sad how one of the best players ever has ended up being hated by so many of his own fans because he and his club couldn't figure out how to use him anymore.
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Let us start with the first ridiculous claim. ignoring everything else that has happened, presumably to try and bait a response (my fault I keep falling for it) Then of course you claimed not to be speaking for United fans after making a statement about how United fans were feeling lol.

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BaZ87 said:
I appreciate you were a big supporter of his signing
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I called you out on this, you then glossed over it

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BaZ87 said:
I don't believe nobody wanted him.
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Again 0 evidence, when I offered an argument against it you ignored it. In fact the initial claim was that we should have 'let him go' which you then changed to be we should have paid him off when I called you out on it.

Then of course there was the victim blaming which I gave you multiple times to back down from but instead you gave mock outrage at being accused of it despite it being a textbook example. Then you flip flopped backwards and forward as to whether you blamed United. You said they were at fault, then said you didn't blame them, then said you did blame them.

Then of course you throw out insults, act shocked when confronted on them and again gloss over them.
 
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Shamikebab said:
Claim no.1



Let us start with the first ridiculous claim. ignoring everything else that has happened, presumably to try and bait a response (my fault I keep falling for it) Then of course you claimed not to be speaking for United fans after making a statement about how United fans were feeling lol.

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I called you out on this, you then glossed over it

Claim 3


Again 0 evidence, when I offered an argument against it you ignored it. In fact the initial claim was that we should have 'let him go' which you then changed to be we should have paid him off when I called you out on it.

Then of course there was the victim blaming which I gave you multiple times to back down from but instead you gave mock outrage at being accused of it despite it being a textbook example. Then you flip flopped backwards and forward as to whether you blamed United. You said they were at fault, then said you didn't blame them, then said you did blame them.

Then of course you throw out insults, act shocked when confronted on them and again gloss over them.
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Your post is a bit of a mess and not easy to read. The first claim is the entire claim I've been making and I stick by - Utd signed a player that they couldn't figure out how to make it work.

Claim 2 - where have I backtracked? Whenever people mentioned how terrible Juve turned out with Ronaldo you were the first to argue against it. If I'm wrong and you weren't a big supporter of his signing then I'm sorry but I certainly got the impression you were and I've not backtracked on it :confused:

Claim 3 - where have I backtracked on that? I've said it more than just today - I do not believe there were no takers for Ronaldo in the summer.

So these quotes of me saying things and then backtracking? You have none?

And I genuinely don't know where I've insulted you. If you think me saying you get upset by people criticising Utd is an insult then I'm sorry but from my experience it's the case. Whenever I or lots of people have said something about Utd you're the first to go on the attack.
 
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Ah you'll never admit it when you're wrong. You even get in one more baseless claim :D Even when I tell you what the insults are you just ignore it and do mock outrage. Let's just drop it. Perhaps I'll just put you on ignore because there is pattern of you doing this consistently.
 
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Shamikebab said:
Ah you'll never admit it when you're wrong. Even when I tell you what the insults are you just ignore it and do mock outrage. Let's just drop it. Perhaps I'll just put you on ignore because there is pattern of you doing this consistently.
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I'm not sure you can put me on ignore. But I'm sorry if you've been offended by anything I said but I'm sorry, I feel exactly this way - whether it's you insulting me for saying McTominay isn't good enough to start regularly for Utd or this, I believe you get overly defensive of Utd.

My comment which set this off I can only assume you misunderstood because I'm not sure how it warranted this reaction. As I've already tried to explain, I've not claimed Utd did anything to Ronaldo. My point is they are responsible for the success of his signing and when you know exactly what a player is like, you have to accept part of the blame when he acts like he's always acted. Nothing more, which you've seemed to have thought.
 
BaZ87 said:
I've said Utd are responsible for the fallout. They knew what they were signing and they knew how it would end if he wasn't given everything he wants. He's a tart, everybody knows he's a tart and he was always going to behave like a tart. If Utd were going to sign him and then not bow down to him then they are as responsible as he is for the reaction because they knew it was going to happen.
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On what premise do you know that is the case especially in bold that ManU had prior knowledge of him doing a dirty on the club some 2yr after signing on for united?

I am sorry, does the united board have a time portal able to peer into the future now? If so why has united languished in the elite football scene since fergie’s departure.

Utter non-sense. You can say they would have thought he needed to be managed. but no one can expect the board or anyone else for that matter to think the situation will come to the way it has done. It is extremely rare that sort of things happen.

All of the sudden with hindsight, every hole in the world that was installed at the bottom now became inverted on matters relating to United and CR7.

Laughable
 
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