Football and the Coronavirus

Germany has had a very different response to corona to the UK. We have generally been awful.
 
woppy101 said:
A far more serious lockdown for one, you can’t even call what we have has a lockdown.
this site shows how badly we have handled this whole situation when Eastern European countries and places like Greece are fairing better than we are
https://www.endcoronavirus.org/coun...YqA9cdlqc3hKymeyFp3_j4iJ7Y9A0zq-kpX7MponUOIKw
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Well the people in the UK are the ones to blame really. yes the lockdown is relaxed a bit here but doesnt stop u from actually doing your bit and staying indoors as much as you can and not meet up with people etc.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Well the people in the UK are the ones to blame really. yes the lockdown is relaxed a bit here but doesnt stop u from actually doing your bit and staying indoors as much as you can and not meet up with people etc.
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Which is why the lockdown should have been far harsher a person on his own is intelligent but people together are stupid and can’t even do the simple things or think that the rules don’t apply to them, I did my part I have left the house 3 times in 8 weeks for hospital and doctors appointments and go out for a run 4 times a week, don’t look forward to watching any football for a long time because the second wave is going to hit and hit hard
 
The governments response has been weak but in general its been the retarded response of the people that has caused the biggest issues. You see it all around you. The people across the road from us are constantly coming and going and have been since the lockdown started, next door had a big family and they have all been coming and going as they please, grandkids coming over etc. People at the end of the road seem to be having parties and I've seen them a number of times chatting with their mates on the doorstep while their children play outside. When i've been to the local co-op there are people there buying a sandwich and a drink for lunch.

Its no surprise its been so bad here.

This country does my head in. The same people that have been **** at lockdown will be the ones complaining that there is no money for anything after we have been furloughed for far longer than we could have been.
 
fez said:
The governments response has been weak but in general its been the retarded response of the people that has caused the biggest issues. You see it all around you. The people across the road from us are constantly coming and going and have been since the lockdown started, next door had a big family and they have all been coming and going as they please, grandkids coming over etc. People at the end of the road seem to be having parties and I've seen them a number of times chatting with their mates on the doorstep while their children play outside. When i've been to the local co-op there are people there buying a sandwich and a drink for lunch.

Its no surprise its been so bad here.

This country does my head in. The same people that have been **** at lockdown will be the ones complaining that there is no money for anything after we have been furloughed for far longer than we could have been.
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Thing is though it’s only so long before the government go **** it do what you want and suffer
 
What's the point in all of the discussions then if the FA can just rule with an iron fist? it doesn't matter what decisions the clubs make democratically if the FA can just block/overrule it.
 
The bottom 6's hopes of making a change or holding things up appear to be disappearing. The head of policing for football has made it pretty clear that there's no chance of games being played at home stadiums - telling clubs who oppose the idea to "get a grip".
mmj_uk said:
What's the point in all of the discussions then if the FA can just rule with an iron fist? it doesn't matter what decisions the clubs make democratically if the FA can just block/overrule it.
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Because the FA, in nearly 30 years, has never interfered with the PL's decisions before. It still remains to be seen whether they will use their power to veto but this would be an extreme scenario which may push them into doing so. We have to remember that just because the FA can do something, it might not be consequence free and as such they may be too afraid of doing it. Just like the PL may not enforce a change even if it gets the 14 votes required.

What I'd be interested in knowing was what's the default position if the League is cut short. We know that the PL require a 14 vote majority to make a change but we don't know what they'll be voting on - will it be a vote to prevent relegation, meaning the bottom 3 will need to find 11 clubs to support them or will it be to enforce relegation, in which case they'd only need 4 clubs to back them.
 
Rotty said:
do you really pay £26 a month for that or is there a trick I'm missing? :p
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The Times is like Sky and Dominos, only an idiot pays full price. They're always offering deals. Currently it's £8 for 8 weeks but when I leave they'll offer me something again, if it's any good I'll take it, if not I'll wait a month until a decent offer is running again.

Anyway, here's the article:
FA chiefs would block any attempt to declare the Premier League season null and void and abandon relegation, it can be revealed.

Under wide-ranging powers given to the FA in an agreement signed in 1991 when the Premier League was established, the governing body needs to consent to any changes to promotion and relegation from the division and to the number of teams in the top flight.

Some Premier League clubs are objecting to the season being resumed behind closed doors in neutral grounds next month and at least one club wants relegation to be scrapped if that is to happen.

However, it is understood that the FA board has committed to supporting the Premier League board’s position that the league table should be decided on sporting merit even if the season is curtailed due to the coronavirus restrictions.

That means the FA would insist that sporting merit from the Premier League’s 2019-20 season is used to determine both relegation and qualification for Uefa’s European competitions. It would also mean that Liverpool are almost certain to be declared the league champions, even if the season cannot be completed.

One FA board member told The Times that a null-and-void Premier League season with no relegation was viewed by the governing body as “unacceptable”.

It remains unclear exactly how sporting merit would be determined in the event that the season could not be completed, though calculating the average number of points won per game has been used in other competitions such as rugby union.

The FA’s ability to intervene stems from the Founder Members Agreement in 1991, which established the Premier League as separate from the Football League but still maintained certain powers for the governing body.

Paragraph 7.2.4 of the agreement states the FA must consent to “any amendment to, removal of or waiver of (a) the name of the League (b) the number of members and promotion to and relegation from the League (c) the criteria for membership of the League”.

The FA also has the power over European qualification because it is the national association which submits representative teams to play in the Champions League and Europa League, not the Premier League.

The Founder Members Agreement and the FA’s powers were referred to by the EFL’s chairman Rick Parry when he gave evidence to MPs on Tuesday. Parry was heavily involved in setting up the Premier League in 1991 after being recruited from Ernst and Young, where he worked as a management consultant, and became the new league’s first chief executive in 1992.

Parry, speaking to the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee, was asked what would happen if there was a move to suspend relegation and responded: “It would be a breach of the tripartite agreement between us, the Premier League and the FA. I suspect the FA would also have a position on it.”

Parry also warned of “very messy” legal action if an attempt was made to stop promotion and relegation to and from the Premier League.

The EFL is pushing ahead with plans for the Championship clubs to end the season behind closed doors but it is looking increasingly likely that there is little will among League One and League Two clubs to resume due to the cost of doing so with no gate receipts coming in.

WHY CLUBS FEAR THE DROP

How much more costly is relegation to loss of TV income if the season is terminated?
Much more. The bottom club in the Premier League stands to lose about £20 million in TV money if the season is not completed but if relegated they will be about £60 million worse off next season.

What about parachute payments — don’t they soften the blow?
To a limited extent. Premier League clubs earn at least £100 million in TV money, compared to about £7 million for a top club in the Championship. A relegated club gets £42 million in parachute payments.

Surely that money should be a big help to securing promotion again?
It does not always work that way. None of the nine clubs relegated in the past three seasons has won promotion back to the top flight.
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BaZ87 said:
The Times is like Sky and Dominos, only an idiot pays full price. They're always offering deals. Currently it's £8 for 8 weeks but when I leave they'll offer me something again, if it's any good I'll take it, if not I'll wait a month until a decent offer is running again.

Anyway, here's the article:
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It's a really tough situation generally, but I can understand the FA and PL's position, you need to apply a consistent approach. If they had to end the season then it wouldn't really be right to save the bottom three from relegation but tell the likes of Man United, Sheffield United and Wolves that they'd missed out on CL football and that's just tough luck. If you're using PPG or current standings to crown a champion and determine European places then you have to use that same system to relegate teams. As much as it's very hard on Villa or Bournemouth, who both could fairly argue that their relegation was by no means assured (and arguably even Norwich could say that), it would just be bad luck based on what's happened.

Hopefully they're able to resume playing and this will all become a moot point.
 
nicktay2605 said:
It's a really tough situation generally, but I can understand the FA and PL's position, you need to apply a consistent approach. If they had to end the season then it wouldn't really be right to save the bottom three from relegation but tell the likes of Man United, Sheffield United and Wolves that they'd missed out on CL football and that's just tough luck. If you're using PPG or current standings to crown a champion and determine European places then you have to use that same system to relegate teams. As much as it's very hard on Villa or Bournemouth, who both could fairly argue that their relegation was by no means assured (and arguably even Norwich could say that), it would just be bad luck based on what's happened.

Hopefully they're able to resume playing and this will all become a moot point.
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The Athletic are reporting that League 1 & 2 are likely to be called off next week with a slight variation on PPG being used to determine final League positions, including relegations and promotions. The variation on PPG will be that they will look at PPG for home and away games separately to factor in how many home games a side has left, which I think is a very fair way of doing things.

If this method was used in the PL (and my very quick calculations are correct) then the only meaningful difference from a standard PPG table would be Bournemouth climbing out of the relegation zone at West Ham's expense. How wonderful would it be if, at next weeks PL meeting, this was voted on to decide how the season would end if games cannot resume. Karen Brady would be writing newspaper articles and doing every tv and radio interview she could possibly do, telling us how it's perfectly safe to resume play and the right thing to do for the country.
 
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