Football and the Coronavirus

omnomnom said:
I gave an example of an issue. The whole competition changes.



Did they say change the format? I know they wanted competitions to be concluded with sorting merit but changing the rules of a competition half way through doesnt seem right to me.
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I guess so but this is the best solution to get this done in 2weeks max
 
BaZ87 said:
Yes, I'm pretty sure we went over this when they released their statement the other month. 1) Finish seasons as normal. 2) Reformat the end of the season (eg some sort of play-offs). 3) End the season with final positions determined by sporting merit (eg ppg).
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That was for the leagues. We are playing the top leagues out, France aside, so i dont see why the format needs to change so drastically for a cup competition. Away goals play a huge part, to take that away as if it never existed isnt fair on the teams knocked out with us being an example which ive mentioned. Had there been no away goal rule we arent trying to score a third so much at 2-2.
 
omnomnom said:
That was for the leagues....
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I know, that's what I said. UEFA are doing exactly what they instructed the Leagues to do - if it's possible then play the League out in full, if that isn't possible then find a reformatted way to complete the season and if that's not possible, end the season on sporting merit. Due to travel restrictions, quarantine periods and reduced time to complete this season, it's not possible to finish the quarters, semi's and finals in the normal way so they've come up with a format that is possible.

I don't understand the argument you're making regarding away goals and Liverpool. The plan is for the outstanding 2nd legs of the round of 16 to be played as normal, with the away goals rule. It's only from the quarter final that they're changing the format and that will be exactly the same for all remaining sides.
 
BaZ87 said:
I know, that's what I said. UEFA are doing exactly what they instructed the Leagues to do - if it's possible then play the League out in full, if that isn't possible then find a reformatted way to complete the season and if that's not possible, end the season on sporting merit. Due to travel restrictions, quarantine periods and reduced time to complete this season, it's not possible to finish the quarters, semi's and finals in the normal way so they've come up with a format that is possible.

I don't understand the argument you're making regarding away goals and Liverpool. The plan is for the outstanding 2nd legs of the round of 16 to be played as normal, with the away goals rule. It's only from the quarter final that they're changing the format and that will be exactly the same for all remaining sides.
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If the game at anfield was played in this current format then how we played at 2-2 on agg is completely different. It would have gone to pens in this new format. Instead we would have gone out and ultimately had to change tactic in extra time to suit. It isn't just changing the format, it's changing the rules of the competition. How many times have we seen teams go out on away goals?
 
Yes it's changing the rules but the point is that the rules are changed for everyone from a static point moving forward so it's not like you get someone to play the first leg and before the second leg then say "sorry lads we've decided to change the rules midway through your fixture, I know you thought a 2-2 away result was good as it means a 0-0 or 1-1 at home would put you through, but we've scrapped that, a draw won't see you through any more". It's no different from how the final is played under different rules from the semi-final for example.

Or if your point is about teams already knocked out on away goals, those were the rules fully understood by all teams at the point those games were played. It's not like they've been disadvantaged compared to any other team that was playing in that round. By that logic you could argue teams knocked out in the group phase has been disadvantaged because the rules were different in the group stage compared to knockout round....

edit: assuming you are referring to the Olympiacos game, that was the last match I attended and yes it was frustrating to get knocked out but I have no issue with UEFA scrapping away goals for Europa league if that's what they need to do. We knew the situation at the time that game was played.

It's not like teams are inherently going to gain or lose moving forward by this rule, it doesn't increase the chances of one team winning the tournament more than another.
 
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HangTime said:
Yes it's changing the rules but the point is that the rules are changed for everyone from a static point moving forward so it's not like you get someone to play the first leg and before the second leg then say "sorry lads we've decided to change the rules midway through your fixture, I know you thought a 2-2 away result was good as it means a 0-0 or 1-1 at home would put you through, but we've scrapped that, a draw won't see you through any more". It's no different from how the final is played under different rules from the semi-final for example.

Or if your point is about teams already knocked out on away goals, those were the rules fully understood by all teams at the point those games were played. It's not like they've been disadvantaged compared to any other team that was playing in that round. By that logic you could argue teams knocked out in the group phase has been disadvantaged because the rules were different in the group stage compared to knockout round....

edit: assuming you are referring to the Olympiacos game, that was the last match I attended and yes it was frustrating to get knocked out but I have no issue with UEFA scrapping away goals for Europa league if that's what they need to do. We knew the situation at the time that game was played.

It's not like teams are inherently going to gain or lose moving forward by this rule, it doesn't increase the chances of one team winning the tournament more than another.
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Im talking about the Liverpool game. At 2-2 Athletico were going to win on away goals....now it goes to pens.
 
omnomnom said:
Im talking about the Liverpool game. At 2-2 Athletico were going to win on away goals....now it goes to pens.
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I still don't get it though, the game is done and dusted under the rules in place? I could understand if the 2nd leg was still pending, you could make an argument that Atletico would be disadvantaged because they would lose the opportunity to win on away goals (only they could win on AG, Liverpool couldn't), maybe if they had known there wouldn't be away goals, they might have played more attacking in the first leg. So saying "now it goes to pens" well maybe it wouldn't have done, maybe Atletico would've won the first leg 3-1 if they knew away goals wouldn't count. But that's not what happened, everyone knew away goals were in force, Liverpool weren't hard done by.

It's like turning around and saying oh, rules have changed from 2pts for a win to 3pts for a win, let's go back and revisit all previous seasons and see if anyone was hard done by by not getting 3pts for a win - the point is all parties will have played to the rules in force at the time and as at today there is no advantage to be had by teams left in the competition over other teams. It's not like, oh, club X has an advantage now they've changed the rules, it's a level playing field for all.
 
omnomnom said:
If the game at anfield was played in this current format then how we played at 2-2 on agg is completely different. It would have gone to pens in this new format. Instead we would have gone out and ultimately had to change tactic in extra time to suit. It isn't just changing the format, it's changing the rules of the competition. How many times have we seen teams go out on away goals?
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The current format for the round of 16 is to still use away goals so nothing would have changed. It's only the format from the next round that is changing.
 
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UEFA confirms single legged knockout tournament for the quarters onwards to take place in Portugal.

Still undecided about playing the remaining round 16 games at home stadiums or in Portugal.
 
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