Football - John Terry's red card fiasco...

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FrankJH said:
Stop talking about "clear goal scoring opportunity" its completely wrong, he went for the man and not the ball that is a clear red card and always should be (after all I have been watching Scholes's style of tackling for donkeys years :))
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What about a tug on a shirt? Should that be a clear red card because that's going for the man rather than the ball to stop him?
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
What about a tug on a shirt? Should that be a clear red card because that's going for the man rather than the ball to stop him?
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I (personally) an in no way suggesting this merits a red card. Or that Terry's wrestling does... But we seem to be in the odd position in football (now) where it's all an expected part of the game for professional players to cheat their way through games:-
1) Wrestling players to the ground?
2) Diving in order to received free kicks?
3) Diving in order to try and get other players cards, or sent off?
4) Pretending to be hit to get players cards, or sent off?
5) Over reacting to tackles to get players cards, or sent off?

'Professional foul', 'taking one for the team', they're all just nice clean terms for 'cheating'. And unfortunately until something is done, football continues to be a bit of a farce at times...

What should be done? I don't pretend to be an expert, but if rugby can use video footage and off pitch referees to better judge the game, why not football with all its aditional money. And more importantly harsher outcomes for 'cheating'.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
What about a tug on a shirt? Should that be a clear red card because that's going for the man rather than the ball to stop him?
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If it forces the player to the ground (not diving) then maybe - but this wasnt just a tug on a shirt, although nowadays its more yanks on the shirt than a tug

Anything where the man is played obviously on purpose should be carded
 
NeilFawcett said:
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Other than the diving, which was introduced to our game when the foreigner rule was abandoned, I'd say football is no worse for cheating now than it was in the 60s and 70s.

The only difference now is the game's much stricter and the players can get away with far less.

FrankJH said:
If it forces the player to the ground (not diving) then maybe - but this wasnt just a tug on a shirt, although nowadays its more yanks on the shirt than a tug
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In the grand scheme of things a rugby tackle and a tug on a shirt are no different. One's pulling a player to the ground and the other's pulling a player back. Neither are malicious or dangerous but both are done to stop the man.

FrankJH said:
Anything where the man is played obviously on purpose should be carded
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It usually is. It's just this time the ref showed the wrong colour card and then gave an incorrect reason for sending him off. I'd wager most refs would've given Terry nothing more than a yellow.
 
FrankJH said:
at 3-0 or 4-0 no it matters not for that game imo

Im sure there is still a rule saying that if the event is worth a card, the FA wont recind it even if it is a red when its only worth a yellow

(yes Vidic should have been shown a red, I have no arguement with that at all)
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It was 3-1 and im not aware about that rule where you can't rescind a red card if it's worth a yellow.

FrankJH said:
Stop talking about "clear goal scoring opportunity" its completely wrong, he went for the man and not the ball that is a clear red card and always should be (after all I have been watching Scholes's style of tackling for donkeys years :))
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:confused:

By the letter of the law, what Terry done was not worthy or a red card. Im struggling to see how anybody can argue with that.
 
BaZ87 said:
It was 3-1 and im not aware about that rule where you can't rescind a red card if it's worth a yellow.


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By the letter of the law, what Terry done was not worthy or a red card. Im struggling to see how anybody can argue with that.
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Try reading the thread?

Basically we have a professionaly footballer - the England Captain - who is willing, infront of everyone, no questions asked, to cheat, instead of just playing the game fairly. He was beaten by the opponent, and weighed up his options and cynically decided just to cheat and wrestle the player to the ground, suspecting he would at worst get a yellow card, at best nothing... What does that say about the sport, the attitude of the sportsman playing, and the fact that it's called a 'professional foul' - two words that should never sit next to each other.

Deserving of a red card, yellow card, or two hours detention? The fact is we have a sport where it has become common place for players to dive, act, and wrestle each other to the ground, How long until teams start 'diving lessons' for the their players, if infact they haven't already? It's getting that daft!

In my book he took a gamble on bringing the player down on purpose (known as cheating) and it back fired on him resulting in a red card. Shame this doesn't happen a bit more. I suspect the antics would reduce a bit...
 
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This thread has gone round in a big merry circle a few times now and members are banging their heads against a brick wall plus I'm not entirely sure that there's no intentional trolling going on so it's goodnight from me and it's goodnight from him:)
 
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