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Koreans LOVE football. Seriously in the last few world cups the Koreans have had the best set of fans
Football, just a working class cult?
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Koreans LOVE football. Seriously in the last few world cups the Koreans have had the best set of fans
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I am equally baffled by the worldwide obsessive following of football.
Surely any intelligent person would quickly become bored of such a basic game and look for something new after a while.
I just write "football people" off as people who are not very deep and just want to be part of something.
Either that, or a large percentage of the male population just enjoys watching other men in shorts bending over.
*shrug*
Surely any intelligent person would quickly become bored of such a basic game and look for something new after a while.
I just write "football people" off as people who are not very deep and just want to be part of something.
Either that, or a large percentage of the male population just enjoys watching other men in shorts bending over.
*shrug*
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I think I was being completely sarcastic and making a ridiculous generalisation to match your ridiculous generalisation.
Its quite simple, something HAS to be the most popular thing, thats just how life is, if football had never been invented, badmington may have become the single most watched and played sport ever. In being the most played and watched sport, you'd have a huge amount of people getting together to watch matches.
Its scientific FACT that behaviour changes when you're out in a group, the bigger the group gets, generally speaking the dumber they act and the more accepting of poor behaviour they become.
The fact is football simply became the most popular sport, by a massive massive margin over everything else. That means more people play it, more people watch it, more people get together in pubs to watch it, more people get together in stadiums to watch it.
Take any gang in the country and its likely they'll have a majority of them support one team, because thats how life works, we organise ourselves into groups of people who like the same thing. If it wasn't football, it would be rugby, or cricket, or fishing, it doesn't matter. The bigger something is the more likely kids are to get drawn into watching/playing/enjoying/supporting it through life, this is natural, its got smeg all to do with football.
If Opera was the largest form of entertainment in this country and millions of people watched it every week, encompassing a larger percentage of the population would also mean more criminals and thugs would get into opera.
The things you are talking about are just fundamental parts of human beings, grouping together, disliking other groups of people, finding things in common you have the other lot don't and hating them for it. If it wasn't football it WOULD be something else.
With the Celtic/Rangers divide its got smeg all to do with football, theres just two groups of people who ages ago decided to hate each other, then they got into football and both sides chose a football side to support, and now they make it about football.
Caporegime
*sigh*
Football is so much more then just a sport. It's odd, some people get it, some people don't.
It's also, not really been a "working class" anything for a long time, there are people from every social/economic background that enjoy the sport for a variety of reasons. It's true though, that football does in this country at least have a working class background in much the same way, rugby and tennis have upper class backgrounds.
Football's more like a religion or a massive family, it's an unspoken language, It's an art. It's the most popular sport in the World
Rangers and Celtic games, also, have much wider social and political implications, so due to this, tensions tend to be much higher. The old firm games could be anything, it's a battle a power struggle, and every so often a football game breaks out.
Football is so much more then just a sport. It's odd, some people get it, some people don't.
It's also, not really been a "working class" anything for a long time, there are people from every social/economic background that enjoy the sport for a variety of reasons. It's true though, that football does in this country at least have a working class background in much the same way, rugby and tennis have upper class backgrounds.
Football's more like a religion or a massive family, it's an unspoken language, It's an art. It's the most popular sport in the World
Rangers and Celtic games, also, have much wider social and political implications, so due to this, tensions tend to be much higher. The old firm games could be anything, it's a battle a power struggle, and every so often a football game breaks out.
Caporegime
Personally, I don't think it's the biggest derby in World football
There are massive derbies and rivalries in other parts of the World that just aren't given as much coverage in this country (mainly due to sky / our broadcasting) and as such these rivalries are often forgotten about by your average fan.
I do agree with what people have said in regards to Rangers and Celtic fans (I use the term loosely) but it's more then just a game for them and has much wider implications. It's in part the reason why tensions run so high because so much rests on a game, the game could be in any sport for that matter. It's a battle.
Caporegime
There are games in South American for example that have much wider implications, social, economic, political and religious implications, much along the same lines as the old firm games.
It's not uncommon for players in other parts of the world, and fans, to lose their lives as a result of games.
Football, in these cases isn't just football, it's a battle that just so happens to every so often break out in to a football match.
Sorry about the volume and 3 posts. I'm tipsy
It's not uncommon for players in other parts of the world, and fans, to lose their lives as a result of games.
Football, in these cases isn't just football, it's a battle that just so happens to every so often break out in to a football match.
Sorry about the volume and 3 posts. I'm tipsy
This is pretty much, hands down, the worst thread I've had the displeasure of reading in quite some time. It's utterly full of logical fallacies and opinionated toss.
Shifty, you claim you're objective; you're not. You're just as bias against football as those you claim are delusional because they're bias for.
People are perfectly able to watch and enjoy a sport for what it is, that doesn't make it a cult. You have the misfortune - and there are a disproportionately large number of these types - of being largely in contact with morons. These ilks will still be morons no matter what sport - if any - they decided to band around. Due to the way things evolved in this island, football is that sport. That doesn't mean - and I'm bloody surprised I have to spell this out to you - that every single person who enjoys the game must either be deluded or a moron. Please stop tarring everyone with the same brush, you know better.
I enjoy following my team because it gives me something to do. It's one of my many interests which I use to pass the time. I follow my team in particular as I have family connections to where the club is based (of course this in your eyes is just as bad as religion being passed on from parents to child, and in some cases I will agree with you). However, I didn't support the club simply because of family connections or peer pressure though, that merely flagged one possible club in my then six-year-old brain. The club in question grew on me and that's how I ended up following them. Similarly, I was also playing football with my brothers and friends almost daily, I loved the game.
I'm not deluded as I can take it or leave it, just like say... a debate on some obscure topic; if I'm not interested, I won't get involved. Indeed, for many years I did lose complete interest in football altogether, namely when I hit secondary school and noticed the majority of people who were 'known' for football within my year-group were 'morons' and I didn't want to affiliate with them. My interest however, has slowly rekindled over the last few years and I'm thoroughly enjoying the highs and lows of following my club through their campaigns. When a game is over, I go back to normal life, but when they're playing I love the hype, discussion, predictions and understanding of the league in general.
I agree there are many 'morons' who are bloody deluded but you shouldn't let that colour your vision nor let it bother you. In taking the position you are, you've assumed you're 'superior' to those that follow it simply because you cannot understand it. Likewise, you assume football by consequence must be rubbish. Finally, you assume all fans - moronic or not - are deluded. You've committed three fouls with your critical thinking.
As such, I'm now awarding you an immediate red-card, and a three-thread ban. Appeals are to be forwarded to the angry mob.
Shifty, you claim you're objective; you're not. You're just as bias against football as those you claim are delusional because they're bias for.
People are perfectly able to watch and enjoy a sport for what it is, that doesn't make it a cult. You have the misfortune - and there are a disproportionately large number of these types - of being largely in contact with morons. These ilks will still be morons no matter what sport - if any - they decided to band around. Due to the way things evolved in this island, football is that sport. That doesn't mean - and I'm bloody surprised I have to spell this out to you - that every single person who enjoys the game must either be deluded or a moron. Please stop tarring everyone with the same brush, you know better.
I enjoy following my team because it gives me something to do. It's one of my many interests which I use to pass the time. I follow my team in particular as I have family connections to where the club is based (of course this in your eyes is just as bad as religion being passed on from parents to child, and in some cases I will agree with you). However, I didn't support the club simply because of family connections or peer pressure though, that merely flagged one possible club in my then six-year-old brain. The club in question grew on me and that's how I ended up following them. Similarly, I was also playing football with my brothers and friends almost daily, I loved the game.
I'm not deluded as I can take it or leave it, just like say... a debate on some obscure topic; if I'm not interested, I won't get involved. Indeed, for many years I did lose complete interest in football altogether, namely when I hit secondary school and noticed the majority of people who were 'known' for football within my year-group were 'morons' and I didn't want to affiliate with them. My interest however, has slowly rekindled over the last few years and I'm thoroughly enjoying the highs and lows of following my club through their campaigns. When a game is over, I go back to normal life, but when they're playing I love the hype, discussion, predictions and understanding of the league in general.
I agree there are many 'morons' who are bloody deluded but you shouldn't let that colour your vision nor let it bother you. In taking the position you are, you've assumed you're 'superior' to those that follow it simply because you cannot understand it. Likewise, you assume football by consequence must be rubbish. Finally, you assume all fans - moronic or not - are deluded. You've committed three fouls with your critical thinking.
As such, I'm now awarding you an immediate red-card, and a three-thread ban. Appeals are to be forwarded to the angry mob.
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Caporegime
The sweeping generalisations did make me laugh, maybe football fans all over the world consciously become self for-filling prophecies to match up to the stereotypical view that people in this thread have of them
Football is the most popular sport in the world and as I said, is enjoyed by people from every social and economic background, everyone can and does enjoy football and it doesn't really matter, where they're from, what they do, the colour of their skin or their beliefs.
Football is the most popular sport in the world and as I said, is enjoyed by people from every social and economic background, everyone can and does enjoy football and it doesn't really matter, where they're from, what they do, the colour of their skin or their beliefs.
I'd also like to point out that whilst the SPL is terrible in general - my own opinion of course - the Old Firm rivalry and mainstream trouble associated is the exception rather than the rule. Likewise, the issues surrounding the Old Firm is one of an exacerbation of historical socio-economic factors surrounding the local geography and institutions themselves rather than the sport itself. Same as hooliganism in other localities; it's a cancer that's grown within the sport, nothing more.
I was down the pub watching a game the other night and one supporter of my club kept shouting out bigotted nonsense. Did I assume that all supporters by consequence must be bigots? No, I just wrote this particular guy off as a knuckle-shuffler. Football unfortunately does seem to be a breeding ground for such people, but as I said earlier; you can't tar every supporter with the same brush or belittle the sport as a result.
I was down the pub watching a game the other night and one supporter of my club kept shouting out bigotted nonsense. Did I assume that all supporters by consequence must be bigots? No, I just wrote this particular guy off as a knuckle-shuffler. Football unfortunately does seem to be a breeding ground for such people, but as I said earlier; you can't tar every supporter with the same brush or belittle the sport as a result.
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Soldato
The only thing that confuses me a little is the huge vicarious following football seems to have. You won't find such a large public anomaly in much else.
"My team is going to beat your team" as if they have any part or say in it.
I could go on listing how strange hardcore fans get but, I think we all know exactly what I mean. Unless you're one of the people concerned.
"My team is going to beat your team" as if they have any part or say in it.
I could go on listing how strange hardcore fans get but, I think we all know exactly what I mean. Unless you're one of the people concerned.
I'm hardly a meathead, I have a degree in Politics, can use capital letters and understand the basic psychology behind sport.
You have admitted yourself you are to much of a wimp to fight so you replace it with something nice and gentle in comparison to get over the urge, which is what most people who play sports are doing, its pathetic when you think about it. I watch football and to me it looks like professional wrestling, ridiculous.
4 corners of a play ground, ones playing soccer, ones playing basketball, one cards and in the 4th a fight breaks out, where does every body run?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5tO2_aUJU&tracker=False
Caporegime
I think I've almost got the set here.
1. Linux-loving, sport-avoiding sperglords? Check!
2. Football-loving, what's wrong with you, 4-4-2 jumpesr for goalposts isn't it respondents? Check!
3. Utter ignorance of the country you live in? Check! (and I've sat in over 1,000 cars so I should know)
4. Opinion dressed as fact? Check!
It's like bingo but for children.
1. Linux-loving, sport-avoiding sperglords? Check!
2. Football-loving, what's wrong with you, 4-4-2 jumpesr for goalposts isn't it respondents? Check!
3. Utter ignorance of the country you live in? Check! (and I've sat in over 1,000 cars so I should know)
4. Opinion dressed as fact? Check!
It's like bingo but for children.
Soldato
Haters gonna hate, but not everyone who likes football is the same, and the same goes for people don't like it also. To call it a cult is a little OTT however, it's not as if people are being brainwashed here...
I didn't really like football when I was in my teens, (I didn't get it back then I guess you could say) but I've grown to like it now as I've got older... Maybe my attention span is longer now? I'm still not patient enough to watch stuff like cricket however...
There's no need to get your knickers in a twist over a sport, if you don't like it, simply watch Eastenders or something else instead... or play a few video games if that's what you prefer. If everyone liked the same thing the the world would be a far less interesting place...
Hopefully this should cheer a few of you up regardless of weather you like football or not:
I didn't really like football when I was in my teens, (I didn't get it back then I guess you could say) but I've grown to like it now as I've got older... Maybe my attention span is longer now? I'm still not patient enough to watch stuff like cricket however...
There's no need to get your knickers in a twist over a sport, if you don't like it, simply watch Eastenders or something else instead... or play a few video games if that's what you prefer. If everyone liked the same thing the the world would be a far less interesting place...
Hopefully this should cheer a few of you up regardless of weather you like football or not:
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Man of Honour
That goes down as the biggest piece of crap I've read on these forums.
Soldato
Men who do not like Football are Gayers who like MX5s
And that all I have to say on that.
And that all I have to say on that.
Soldato
Wonder which side of the discussion ill take when I post my reply later
Man of Honour
Wonder which side of the discussion ill take when I post my reply later
Well looking at your sig you're obviously not into football
(ooh, stereotypical football fan reply)
"Watch the football last night?"
"I'm afraid I didn't, though, I take it one team won, or was there a draw? Exciting isn't it, and there will be more games similar to this, on a regular basis?! My god, sounds enthralling. Do tell me more about the teams and their players, I'm keen to learn every possible detail you have about clubs and there... zzzzzz"
I get this on a daily basis, it's never interested me. Just hate how it's meant to be common ground between males. Can't we get something else more exciting?
"I'm afraid I didn't, though, I take it one team won, or was there a draw? Exciting isn't it, and there will be more games similar to this, on a regular basis?! My god, sounds enthralling. Do tell me more about the teams and their players, I'm keen to learn every possible detail you have about clubs and there... zzzzzz"
I get this on a daily basis, it's never interested me. Just hate how it's meant to be common ground between males. Can't we get something else more exciting?
Caporegime
I follow the premier league a bit as I do fantasy football and score predictions, but I'm not a huge fan. Some fans are mental about football, but for most it's just another hobby.
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