For Sale: Newcastle

[cheets64]

Awesome piece on 5 live on my drive home tonight on Newcastle. Never heard so much delusion in all my years of following football. If it has a listen again it's well worth a listen.

The interviewers did a great job of playing devil advocate.

What time was it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio/bbc_radio_five_live

I take it, it was the Newcastle special.

talksport have been talking Newcastle down, for the fact they have no manager, zero tactics, zero control and the fact the season starts on Friday and they are one of the favorites.

 

[dannyjo22]

You must be blinkered then, but given your views on foreign football and other teams that's fairly clear anyway.

Did you listen to the program, you have lashed out like a child to something you probably didn't even listen to, without even being able to say if the fans views were blinkered.

What are you on about? What views on foreign football.

The point was made by people at newcastle that the fans always bang on about 50,000 fans and yet they are expecting 25k for the first game. The caretaker was saying fans come up to him all the time and say they are not renewing their season ticket this year. He made the point that the fans claim it's their club then don't turn up now it's got a bit bad, when you need your fans most.

The point was made that Newcastle fans are too busy daisy chaining each other over Robson, yet forget how they turned on him and called for his head and the abuse he got from newcastle fans when he dropped Shearer. That he was axed with little fan protest.

The fans constantly banged on about their club but failed to take any responsibilty for their downfall. That to me is blinkered. They couldn't see past King Kev purely because they had a successfull spell. Totally forgetting the money it took to do that and that continuing that spending was not feasable.

What time was it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio/bbc_radio_five_live

I take it, it was the Newcastle special.

talksport have been talking Newcastle down, for the fact they have no manager, zero tactics, zero control and the fact the season starts on Friday and they are one of the favorites.

Yes it was an excellent listen

 

[Visionary]

Did you listen to the program, you have lashed out like a child to something you probably didn't even listen to, without even being able to say if the fans views were blinkered.

What are you on about? What views on foreign football.

The point was made by people at newcastle that the fans always bang on about 50,000 fans and yet they are expecting 25k for the first game. The caretaker was saying fans come up to him all the time and say they are not renewing their season ticket this year. He made the point that the fans claim it's their club then don't turn up now it's got a bit bad, when you need your fans most.

The point was made that Newcastle fans are too busy daisy chaining each other over Robson, yet forget how they turned on him and called for his head and the abuse he got from newcastle fans when he dropped Shearer. That he was axed with little fan protest.

The fans constantly banged on about their club but failed to take any responsibilty for their downfall. That to me is blinkered. They couldn't see past King Kev purely because they had a successfull spell. Totally forgetting the money it took to do that and that continuing that spending was not feasable.

Yeah, just Newcastle fans then.

Man U fans didn't want Ferguson, Arsenal fans now are calling for Wenger's head, Villa fans complaining Martin O'Neil is an idiot for not buying quick enough, Everton fans complaining Moyes wastes too much money...

 

[dannyjo22]

Yeah, just Newcastle fans then.

Man U fans didn't want Ferguson, Arsenal fans now are calling for Wenger's head, Villa fans complaining Martin O'Neil is an idiot for not buying quick enough, Everton fans complaining Moyes wastes too much money...

Your totally correct and what has happened at newcastle should be a wake up call with loads of fans with dillusions.

Honestly listen to that link Cheets provided, it's excellent not just for fans of newcastle.

Newcastle fans saying, we need Shearer back. The point was made Shearer didn't get results either. That the club has needed a great coach for years and Shearer is not yet a great coach.

Seriously listen to some of those fans, its a great hour and a half of radio.

 

[Visionary]

Your totally correct and what has happened at newcastle should be a wake up call with loads of fans with dillusions.

Honestly listen to that link Cheets provided, it's excellent not just for fans of newcastle.

Newcastle fans saying, we need Shearer back. The point was made Shearer didn't get results either. That the club has needed a great coach for years and Shearer is not yet a great coach.

Seriously listen to some of those fans, its a great hour and a half of radio.

I listened to about ten minutes but I know already anyway a lot of Newcastle fans talk rubbish. But the fact is most football fans talk rubbish (me included probably ). I just don't think Newcastle fans have a monopoly over idiocy.

I am going to give it a fully listen tomorrow as well.

 

[dannyjo22]

Honestly mate it's a great listen. The fans saying they need foreign money to build the club but the fans need a say in the running. It's crazy. They keep saying Keegan showed what could be achieved and shearer will and could repeat that.

Football budgets have changed so much since Keegans team and unless Alan Shearer is a billionaire he can't change that.

Great stuff on Gullit choking as he didn't realise the passion he had walked into.

1 hour 25 minutes into the 1 hr 30 before anyone blames the players.

Yes newcastle fans don't have the monopoly, some of the stuff amazes me, probably because I can fully appreciate the stalemate a team like mine is in.

"has anyone bought the tweety pie away kit"

fan "yes to punish the kids" hahaha

 

[lemonkettaz]

Is there any chance you can listen to that radio show again?

I totally forgot about it.

 

[[DOD]Asprilla]

Is there any chance you can listen to that radio show again?

I totally forgot about it.

It's on iPlayer.

 

[lemonkettaz]

Is it.. ok, will look again then

 

[Wossi]

Looks like it's 50/50 whether Ashley will sell or not now this season after reading this:

From The Times, Thursday:

Seymour Pierce, the investment bank charged with handing the sale of Newcastle United, will recommend to Mike Ashley, the club's owner, that he accepts a bid from a consortium led by Barry Moat, a prominent Tyneside businessman.

Keith Harris, Seymour Pierce's executive chairman, has been involved in painstaking negotiations with a group fronted by Moat, who is a longstanding box-holder at St James' Park. Moat, who may have backing from the United States, is now regarded as Harris's preferred bidder and at some time over the next 48 hours, Ashley will be asked to accept a formal offer for Newcastle.

As The Times reported yesterday, Ashley has issued an ultimatum of Friday for bids to be made. Since putting the club on the market at the end of last season, when Newcastle were relegated from the Barclays Premier League, he has been demanding a price of £100m.

If Moat's bid is accepted, it will represent a positive development for Alan Shearer, who remains eager to be appointed Newcastle's manager and is close to Moat, who the chairman of the former England striker's testimonial committee. If Ashley decides to reject the offer, the sportswear retailer intends to retain possession of the club for at least another season and is prepared to pump in a further £40m of his own money to cover wages and other costs.

But then there is this

From The Guardian, Thursday:

Another concern at Seymour Pierce is that Moat, in the business sphere at least, is intensely private and had insisted his identity must be a closely guarded secret during the entire negotiating process. He has always maintained that his name must not be made public until any agreement is concluded and there was a tacit understanding he could walk away if it got out.

Best known in the north-east for his former role as a founder and later owner and chief executive of Premier Direct Group, a South Shields-based company, little is known about what specifically Moat has done since stepping down from Premier Direct in 2005 for "personal reasons".

A PLC, Premier Direct sold books and novelty toys and gifts to schools, hospitals and local authorities in the UK and Ireland. Later it got involved in the door-to-door selling of cosmetics and party planning catalogues.

In 2008, three years after Moat's departure, its shares were suspended and the company was placed in administration.

Meanwhile, in 2007, Moat spent around £18m on buying 2,566 acres of land in Northumberland from the Church Commission for "investment purposes". He and his wife are believed to live in the upmarket Darras Hall area to the north of Newcastle, where Shearer is a neighbour.

 

[toon_mad]

you cant blame for shearer for his results, players already lost interest when he came in, no one else wanted the job, the toon fans want shearer because he is our hero, he is a geordie and knows what we want.

i say you cant judge any manager who comes into settle the ship, you can only judge a manager who has brought his own players in, and started the league campaign.

as it happens i dont think shearer is the man for the job, and too be honest i dont think anyone will be good enough for us like keegan's 90's days, and bobby robson's days. shearer would have been good for as manager for us in the championship if the club was sold donkies ago, and he had some money o bring in players he wanted, even if shearer got the job now i wouldnt be able to judge him, players have gone and no one's come in, leaving him with the mess again.

there is no easy answer to this mess, and shearer alone is not the cure. i feel we will struggle to finish in the top 5th this year, maybe worse - i cant see promotion happening, and im as deluded as the next toon fan is

 

[dannyjo22]

as it happens i dont think shearer is the man for the job, and too be honest i dont think anyone will be good enough for us like keegan's 90's days, and bobby robson's days.

Yeah the point was made on the radio show that Robson wasn't considered good enough either following on from the Keegan era. The fans didn't like the players Robson bought in.

Keegan had much more money to spend at a time before the billionaires came along. Keegan showed time and time again he couldn't cut it when the money wasn't freely available in sacks. Thats not to say you shouldn't enjoy that period of cavalier football he gave you. Most of us enjoyed watching them as well.

 

[Visionary]

Yeah the point was made on the radio show that Robson wasn't considered good enough either following on from the Keegan era. The fans didn't like the players Robson bought in.

Not true really, everyone loved him when were were flying high, maybe moreso in the first two seasons after Gullit.

In his last season and a half he had players falling out and refusing to play then Shepherd said he was going to leave at the end of the season in the process undermining his authority. Results had gone downhill in his last season in a half so some fans went against him. Why wouldn't the fans want continued success when we had challenged for titles? What team would keep a manager just because he'd done well in the past?

This doesn't mean the fans can't look back and be eternally thankful. As I've said before, with that logic Man U fans could never worship Ferguson.

Edit- You gotta remember as well, Robson was 71 when he was sacked. How much longer should he have stayed on?

 

[lemonkettaz]

Many people got over the top after Sir Bobby led us to 3rd....

Bad judgement, wrong choices, snap decisions have cost us since 1997/1998.

Simple as really, hopefully there is a correct decision coming our way... i.e. the sale of the club, the timing, the appointment of the next manager just simply has to be the right decision for the long term.... one more wrong choice (which is becoming more likely given the length of time its taking to get anything sorted) could be fatal and we will sink to the bottom.

 

[toon_mad]

lets clear this up, fred shep wanted bobby out, not the fans.

under robson we showed good attacking football, no fear and a winning mentality.

 

[atpbx]

Edit- You gotta remember as well, Robson was 71 when he was sacked. How much longer should he have stayed on?

Thats the exact reason Shepard gave.

He said something along the lines of "How many top flight teams have managers that are over 70 years old?"

Bobby was too old, its as simple as that, same as Ferguson is getting too old.

 

[toon_mad]

and kinnear was young?

 

[lemonkettaz]

Apparently Bobby had lost the dressing room...

I only imagine players like Robert and Bellamy that caused the crap

 

[toon_mad]

most likely, although i thought robert and bellamy were good footballers, they were too big headed, what do you expect from a french and welshman

 

[atpbx]

and kinnear was young?

Freddie Sheppard wasnt in charge of Newcastle when Kinnear was taken on, so why has his opinion on old managers got any bearing on Joe Kinnear being 62?