Ford Mustang to be released in EU

A very good point, warranty and maintenance cost, a Mustang cost pennies to maintain, run and insure in comparison. :)
It is simply a yearly oil change, there is no inspection 1 or 2, just yearly oil changes with a major service I suspect every 30-50,000 being spark plugs and filters the only extra. Every 100k miles they tend to like to throw in a differential and gearbox oil change.

The last new BMW model introduced with an 'Inspection 1' or 'Inspection 2' on the service schedule was the original X3 11 years ago. This servicing scheme is long dead and isn't found on any post M54 era cars.
 
Unless there's fixed price service the costs are determined by the number of hours and parts required.

Ford Etis shows a UK Mustang as having a service interval indicator but the engine oil change still at every 1 Year / 10,00 miles. Etis could be wrong but usually it's pretty good.

Yes that is correct, but the car does have the service indicator now based on driving style. The service is rumours to be £120-£180 but cost have not being finalised yet.

In short I shall get the dealership to do it, but I shall supply the oil which will no doubt bring the cost down to 1hr labour charge, so around £60-£100 I suspect. Does not get much better than that for a V8 powered sports/touring car per year. Though I might get the car serviced by a specialist for the stamps as already many owners do not want Ford dealerships anywhere near their cars simply because most won't have a clue what they are doing.
 
No offence intended Gibbo, but you are extremely optimistic about the whole ownership experience. Especially with regards to costs, servicing and performance. I keep seeing this car being related to 458's....
I'm not knocking the car, I nearly ordered one myself when they announced it, but I don't think it's going to be some kind of giant killer, just a very fast Ford that looks good and handles well. It's bang for buck but it's not undervalued in my opinion.
 
No offence intended Gibbo, but you are extremely optimistic about the whole ownership experience. Especially with regards to costs, servicing and performance. I keep seeing this car being related to 458's....
I'm not knocking the car, I nearly ordered one myself when they announced it, but I don't think it's going to be some kind of giant killer, just a very fast Ford that looks good and handles well. It's bang for buck but it's not undervalued in my opinion.

I fail to see how one is being optimistic?

Servicing is yearly and an oil change, any dealer trying to charge more than £200 for 1hr work will be told where to go, I'll take it to a Specialist for the stamp in the book. Anything fails on the car it has a warranty which will be repaired at no cost, its a new car. I cannot see fuel consumption being any higher than I am used to either and if it is no big deal, I want a big V8 so am happy to have a Shell tanker following me around. :D

The performance is what it is, a good all rounder which can be made into something a lot more special, the beauty of the car being in the US market now for a couple of years it is easy to so what works, what does not and the choices are limitless and the Coyote engine has being in Mustangs now for nearly 10 years so power modifications are vast. I remember the doubter on my last Mustang, a car which out the factory was quite a poor handling affair, but back then even when my driving ability and car knowledge was more limited I was still able to transform it to the point passengers were surprised and impressed with its handling and grip abilities. Ford also achieved the same with BOSS 302. Ford love to leave stock cars very rubberised as to speak so later down the line they can easily release improved varients such as 350/350R and also give their customers plenty of modding opportunity and keep the SVT/FRPP departments booming in business along with the tuners they work with such as Roush, Steeda and Saleen. :)

The 350R is the giant killer, the countless reviews, lap times seem to be evident of that whilst at the same time at heart its an S550 so also works superb as a daily driver with typical S550 running cost. The 350/350R really is an incredible achievement for Ford, a car that can lap tracks and keep with Fezza's, GT3's and GTR's whilst being a better mannered road car with vastly lower running cost and also cost a fraction in the first place. Really no one can knock Ford for their achievement here, its a huge shock because it has really come from nowhere and shows the S550 platform to be very capable.

The un-educated need to realise Ford did not re-design the whole S550 for the 350 or 350R, they like to tell you how they changed so much on the car but the reality is they did not do any weight reduction by changing body panels, chassis etc, infact the 350 weighs more than a GT. This is why the 350R had rear seats deleted and CF wheels fitted to try and claw back some of the weight increase. People need to realise apart from the engine the 350/350R are GT's with uprated parts. Even though the engine is still based on the Coyote Ford changed a lot, flat plane crank being the big one and you will never replicate that unique and awesome sound in a regular GT. But the suspension, brakes can all be matched. The engine their is two options, BOSS/Cobra intake manifold, 350 intake kit, cams, oil pump upgrade and then the regular Coyote is safe at 8000rpm and will produce 500 horses, some are now going this route already, but the same money gets you a supercharger kit. So depends which way you want to go, balance and handling by not adding weight with a high-revving V8 with around 500 horsepower. Or chuck a blower on the engine adding weight to the front of the car but have 700-900 horsepower. I will go the latter. :)

I don't want a 350R as there are certain things I do not like about it, I hate the CF wheels, not to sure about the rear seat delete and dislike the fact it has no toys in it. I would however love a regular 350 with tech package, but that will not come either or if it does come won't be until 2017/18 when the cars are facelifted. I really hope it does come and Ford price it at 50-55k GBP because they then have a car which magazines/press will compare against BMW, Mercedes, Audi sports/GT coupes simply because the price is comparable even if still lower.

But the differences between a GT and 350 are not so much or so expensive to achieve when focusing on handling. :)


I know what I want to achieve and for me I want it too look great with a hint of aggression whilst being a good tight handling car and eventually with a huge amount of power.

I've now ordered and paid for everything due to savings at thanks giving but I have already got the following for the car:


Interior / Exterior styling
1. ECOBoost rear decklid (silver running pony): £100
2. Collection of shift knobs, black, white, silver, billet etc: £100
3. GT350 steering wheel: £200
4. Mustang Black lower side decals: £30
5. Black Pony for front grill: £30
6. Light tint kit (might not use): £40
7. Steeda front chin splitter (might not use): £175
8. Hood gas lift struts: £60
9. Blue Ford Racing coil covers: £50
10. STO & SHOW Licence plate bracket: £50
11. LED Interior bulbs: £20
12. Labour: £0 fit it all myself except maybe decals.
13. Would love a GT350R style rear wing: £300-£8000....(NOT DECIDED)

£855.00


Handling & Safety Upgrades
1. Ford FRPP Track Handling Kit containing dampers, springs, anti-roll bars, jounce bump stop kit, uprated bushes (Lowers 1" and improves handling): £750
2. BMR Cradle Lockout Kit, stops excessive cradle/wheel hop movement: £100
3. BMR Vertical Links, reduced wheel hop: £100
4. Steeda Strut Tower brace, chassis tightening front: £125
5. Steeda G-Trac brace, chassis tightening front: £100
6. Steeda adjustable differential support/brace system, stops excess differencial movement: £60
7. Steeda jacking rails, makes jacking car safer: £90
8. Steeda transmission bushing mount insert, stops binding: £20
9. Steeda transmission shifter base bushing support: £50
10. 25mm/23mm wheel spacers: £200
11. Labour: £300 allignment and bushing install, rest fit myself!

TOTAL: £1895



Power & Noise adders
1. Corsa Sport 3" catback exhaust system: £775
2. CAI/Panel Filter with remap +50 horsepower: £300 (NOT DOING for a year)
3. Whipple 2.9l Supercharger Kit with throttle body and cooling upgrade for 750-800ish horsepower: £6500 (Will do 12-18 month into ownership)
4. Labour: £0 fit myself!

TOTAL: £775 (£7000ish if do tune/SC)


Shipping & Taxes
1. Around £1250!

TOTAL: £1250



Some think it is crazy to be buying stuff before even having the car but I know how I want it to look, I know what I want to achieve. I have enough car knowledge and driving knowledge to know what I want from the car and how to achieve it. Then a lot of research has being done to make sure I get the correct parts.

So far £3500 spent on parts and around £1000 in shipping and taxes. But the car will be how I want it. In short 40k for brand new Mustang sounding, looking and handling exactly how I want it to be. :)
In short I have actually managed to stay within my 40k budget for the car and achieving what I want, helped greatly by me getting the car pre price increase and saving a lot of money in Black Friday promotions and getting better shipping rates to the UK.

I will no doubt drop another 10k on the car in a year or so time, supercharger, wheel and tyres at which point power/drivetrain warranty kissed goodbye. :D
I really have done my research and have worked on enough cars and done enough advanced driving to know what I would like to achieve and how I want it to look/sound. :)
 
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Yes that is correct, but the car does have the service indicator now based on driving style. The service is rumours to be £120-£180 but cost have not being finalised yet.

In short I shall get the dealership to do it, but I shall supply the oil which will no doubt bring the cost down to 1hr labour charge, so around £60-£100 I suspect. Does not get much better than that for a V8 powered sports/touring car per year. Though I might get the car serviced by a specialist for the stamps as already many owners do not want Ford dealerships anywhere near their cars simply because most won't have a clue what they are doing.
If you are going to supply parts and only count the basic oil change then my V10 costs £150 per 2 years.. there are other parts like air filters, microfilters etc. to consider.
 
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If you are going to supply parts and only count the basic oil change then my V10 costs £150 per 2 years.. there are other parts like air filters, microfilters etc. to consider.


Your V10 has way more to service just like my M3. :)

10,000/annum Mustang service consist of:
- Inspect tyres
- Change oil and filter every 12 months or 10,000 miles or when indicated.
- Inspect cooling system and hoses
- Inspect exhaust system
- Inspect brake pads, disc, lines, hoses and parking brake.
- Inspect and lubricate all non-sealed steering linkage, ball joints, suspension joints etc.
- Perform multi point inspection.

20,000 Miles:
- Change cabin/pollen filter

30,000 Miles:
- Change engine air filter

40,000 Miles:
- Change cabin/pollen filter again

60,000 Miles:
- Change engine air filter again
- Change cabin/pollen filter again

80,000 Miles:
- Change cabin/pollen filter

90,000 Miles:
- Change engine air filter

100,000 Miles (Major service):
- Inspect drive belts
- Replace cabin filter
- Replace spark plugs
- Change coolant
- Change engine oil & filter (every 10k miles)
- Plus 10k service

150,000 Miles (Major):
- Change coolant
- Change transmission fluid
- Change accessory drive belts



It really does not get any more basic, so in short servicing is cost of oil, oil filter and every other service pollen filter. Plus 1-2hr labour.

As I say if Ford try charging unreasonable rates for this, I shall take it to a Mustang specialist, already a few about. :)
 
Your V10 has way more to service just like my M3. :)
That's simply not true. The M5 has fewer service items as you never need to change the transmission fluid or drive belts. The reason BMWs cost any money to service is primarily because franchised dealers have the highest hourly labour charges of any major brand in the UK.
 
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That's simply not true. The M5 has fewer service items as you never need to change the transmission fluid or drive belts. The reason BMWs cost any money to service is primarily because franchised dealers have the highest hourly labour charges of any major brand in the UK.

But you should and M3/M5 SMG fluid change is part of major service I believe, certainly on M5.
Same is said of the M3 SMG, transmission oil for live, but the reality is it should be changed as the SMG is quite complex as is the M-Differential.

Also the M-Differential needs a rebuild every 60,000 miles, I've got mine to 100k and the diff has had it and it is very clunky.

What about engine, I am sure like the M3 valve adjustments have to be made yearly ideally and there is simply so much more to fail.

My M3 will cost me more in running cost than the Mustang, an M5 will cost several times more, I also know several people who owned M5's and the running cost are nearly as eye watering as GTR running cost. If your managing to do it £150 a year plus oil you have being lucky. Everyone I know who owned an M5 has spent at least £1000 a year in maintenance to keep it on the road due to numerous sensors failing and servicing cost, the M5 is known to be a fragile car, but a totally epic car!



P.S. What does surprise me Ford makes no mention of brake fluid change, they must have some new life long brake fluid, I shall change it every 2yr with RBF600, £50. :)
 
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But you should and M3/M5 SMG fluid change is part of major service I believe, certainly on M5.
Same is said of the M3 SMG, transmission oil for live, but the reality is it should be changed as the SMG is quite complex as is the M-Differential.

Also the M-Differential needs a rebuild every 60,000 miles, I've got mine to 100k and the diff has had it and it is very clunky.

What about engine, I am sure like the M3 valve adjustments have to be made yearly ideally and there is simply so much more to fail.

My M3 will cost me more in running cost than the Mustang, an M5 will cost several times more, I also know several people who owned M5's and the running cost are nearly as eye watering as GTR running cost. If your managing to do it £150 a year plus oil you have being lucky. Everyone I know who owned an M5 has spent at least £1000 a year in maintenance to keep it on the road due to numerous sensors failing and servicing cost, the M5 is known to be a fragile car, but a totally epic car!



P.S. What does surprise me Ford makes no mention of brake fluid change, they must have some new life long brake fluid, I shall change it every 2yr with RBF600, £50. :)
The M5 has no valve adjustments, no SMG oil change and no differential fluid change. Fortunately I've spent £0.00 on maintenance in the last 11 months but I bought from trusted owners... PeterNem and OllyM :p
 
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The M5 has no valve adjustments, no SMG oil change and no differential fluid change.

So your not servicing your car as advised by BMW or did they change the service? The M5/M6 2006 service schedule is as follows:

Maintenance summary
The Condition Based Service System (CBS) will determine the requirement for performance of the maintenance services described on this and the following page. These services may be required either individually or in conjunction with other maintenance services.

Standard operations
Maintenance work
• Brief diagnostic test
• Verify Check Control messages
• Check indicator and warning lights
• Reset CBS display
• Change the engine oil and oil filter. Use only
Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60 Synthetic Oil
P/N 07 51 0 009 420.
• At the 1st and then every 3rd oil change:
– Change the SMG gear oil, clean the oil filter
– Change the differential oil
• Parking brake: check function
• Check expiration date on the M Mobility System
sealant bottle. Change sealant bottle if
needed at additional charge.
Spark plugs
Maintenance work
• Replace spark plugs at intervals of 37,000 miles


It does have an SMG change, friends who have owned them BMW have charged them £300 for the principal, so was the dealer trying it on or has it since being removed from the schedule. BMW recommend both SMG and differential changes every 3rd service so every 25,000 miles essentially.

Running an M5 cost a lot more than running a Mustang, 9.3l of oil versus 6l, 11-14mpg versus 17-20mpg, much higher labour cost. Warranty is an absolute must the M5 can throw a 5k bill so easily and bigger, so warranty is 2k a year more or less for one with over 60k miles. Brake disc, pads, 10 plugs the parts cost more.

I own an M3 it will cost more to maintain than my Mustang and an M5 cost more to maintain than an M3 even without the need to do valve adjustment because the M5 has to have a warranty as they are fragile and parts are not cheap for that glorious V10 and clunky SMG system. :)
 
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I haven't serviced the car at all.. I've only had it 11 months.. and I won't for some time as it doesn't require an annual service.

My point was that your claim that the Mustang has an especially short or simply service interval isn't true. It has a very typical service schedule with the usual items beyond engine oil and filters. You even posted all the details yourself - coolant, auxiliary belts, air intake filters, transmission fluid etc. There is absolutely nothing special about the Mustang schedule.
 
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I haven't serviced the car at all.. I've only had it 11 months.. and I won't for some time as it doesn't require an annual service.


LOL.
Surely BMW recommend the engine oil changed at 7500 miles? Is it not your daily or do you do very few miles?

So your car will need things doing as per BMW schedule they are just not due. Going on that principal I won't be servicing my car until March 2017 and it will cost £100-£200 to do so. :)

The M5 is an amazing car, but I would only buy one with a warranty now which I am sure you have because running one without is quite the gamble.

Though its a pointless argument we have purchased V8/V10's if servicing is low cost its a bonus because the reality is I am sure like me you did not buy a V10 for cheap motoring. :)
 
LOL.
Surely BMW recommend the engine oil changed at 7500 miles? Is it not your daily or do you do very few miles?

So your car will need things doing as per BMW schedule they are just not due. Going on that principal I won't be servicing my car until March 2017 and it will cost £100-£200 to do so. :)

The M5 is an amazing car, but I would only buy one with a warranty now which I am sure you have because running one without is quite the gamble.

Though its a pointless argument we have purchased V8/V10's if servicing is low cost its a bonus because the reality is I am sure like me you did not buy a V10 for cheap motoring. :)
It's under the BMW comprehensive zero excess warranty at the stellar price of £89/month. The oil should be changed every 25000 km / 15,500 miles or 2 years.

It's my daily but I live in central London, so only drive 250 miles/month! This makes my running costs low on anything :p
 
I haven't serviced the car at all.. I've only had it 11 months.. and I won't for some time as it doesn't require an annual service.

My point was that your claim that the Mustang has an especially short or simply service interval isn't true. It has a very typical service schedule with the usual items beyond engine oil and filters. You even posted all the details yourself - coolant, auxiliary belts, air intake filters, transmission fluid etc. There is absolutely nothing special about the Mustang schedule.


Compared to previous cars I have owned the major service comes way earlier than 100k miles. The Ford is just an oil change every 10k miles, pollen filter change every 20k miles and engine filter change every 30k miles. 100k miles is plugs and 150k miles gear/diff oil change. :)

The M3 needs Insp 1 & 2 services where a lot more is carried out at a much higher cost.

The Porsche was plugs every 40k miles.


I don't know any other car where essentially the major service is 100k miles (spark plugs). :)

Pretty pointless though because I won't leave the plugs in the car for 100,000 miles anyway. :)


It's under the BMW comprehensive zero excess warranty at the stellar price of £89/month. The oil should be changed every 25000 km / 15,500 miles or 2 years.

It's my daily but I live in central London, so only drive 250 miles/month! This makes my running costs low on anything :p


Less than 60k miles I assume as warranty is very fair price. :)

I would personally not be leaving the oil in a car for that long that is doing short journeys, the oils protection abilities no doubt reduce after 10k miles and does this engine suffer fuel dilution? The 911 was every 20k miles for oil, but no way was I leaving it that long as its engine did suffer fuel dilution and they also used not as good oil as the Castrol 10W-60 stuff.
 
I would personally not be leaving the oil in a car for that long that is doing short journeys, the oils protection abilities no doubt reduce after 10k miles and does this engine suffer fuel dilution? The 911 was every 20k miles for oil, but no way was I leaving it that long as its engine did suffer fuel dilution and they also used not as good oil as the Castrol 10W-60 stuff.
It doesn't really do short journeys. My only driving is a 25 mile trip each way, every week or so. It's certainly warmed up enough in those 25 miles :)
 
Compared to previous cars I have owned the major service comes way earlier than 100k miles. The Ford is just an oil change every 10k miles, pollen filter change every 20k miles and engine filter change every 30k miles. 100k miles is plugs and 150k miles gear/diff oil change. :)

So similar to any modern car then, performance or otherwise. Infact the air filter change seems fairly frequent there.

The M3 needs Insp 1 & 2 services where a lot more is carried out at a much higher cost.

It's also 13 years old.
 
Just seen and sat in one which arrived today at the local dealership. Black V8 Convertible with Ivory leather... Looks/sounds pretty decent :cool:

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My father in a late life crisis has just put a deposit on one.

Full fat, manual in bog standard red and black leather. Due June > September next year :eek:
 
So if one may want to purchase one now without the wait, wheres the best place to not get ripped on price?
 
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