Forgot how bad job searching was :(

Hm - question for folks who have moved jobs.
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Hmm, this is worrying.

I've just moved jobs and I now have a 3 month notice period (after probation). It does seem like this may be an issue when moving jobs, maybe you could negotiation with your current employer if you get a job offer?

not sure what I'm going to do when i end up in this position.
 
Hmm, this is worrying.

I've just moved jobs and I now have a 3 month notice period (after probation). It does seem like this may be an issue when moving jobs, maybe you could negotiation with your current employer if you get a job offer?

not sure what I'm going to do when i end up in this position.

I am currently training someone up in aspects of the role so I'm hoping that will help me negotiate down to 1 month. 1 month is actually the standard here - but people in more critical or technical roles are all on 3.
Other people who were on 3 months have left and the company have not pursued it.

So given I'm doing everything I can to help the company when I leave I'm sure I can work something out.
I'm not sure I have much of a choice - if they won't budge i'll just have to leave after 1 month. My wife works mostly in the midlands/south and until I move there we don't see each other much. And as much as I'd like to keep it open to return here, it's not as important as my personal life.

Guess there isn't a whole lot we can do - if you want the job you have to sign off on the notice period listed.
 
I originally had a 3 month notice period, after acquisition the terms of notice period changed to 1 month. Which to be honest I felt was better as 3 months is good if you have a role where you're looking for some "security", in practice it means nothing other than to lock you in. In the US if you're made redundant you're frog marched to your desk with a box, then frog matched out the front door.

Incidentally economic climate is that things are slowing down at the moment - this has a knock on effect to requisition approvals. Contractor tax law changes due in April are going to make it a cess pool and I think contractors will be looking for perm positions after their contracts are up.

I've had a 2 week 'holiday' from job hunting because of inlaws and following their visit (kids were coughing) due to the fact I've been so ill I've been in bed for five days.. I still have the cough but after a week it's now manageable to speak with agents again.. so just starting to gear up again on job hunt. It's funny - the complete break, the complete state of enforced relaxation has changed my perspective a little.
 
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From the company perspective, they've paid you to sign a contract with a 3 month notice period and you've done so willingly. If you didn't like it in the first place, why didn't you negotiate at the time? I'm sure if you were being made redundant you would expect them to honour the contract.

All I can suggest is to ask to offset your remaining holiday against your notice period, so you can get out a bit earlier. It depends on your company as to how they handle you breaking your contract; they could refuse to provide you with a reference for your future job applications or they could take you to court (unlikely). I've taken on people who have had 3 month notice periods, sometimes the right skills and people are worth waiting for.
 
First post in here, I just wanted to moan about job agency's really. Are there any good ones out there that specialise in IT? I'm sick to death of the pathetic communication, completely inadequate jobs recommended to me and overall woeful customer service. I understand I'm not paying for their service but considering the money they make if I got one of their recommended jobs you'd think they'd try a bit harder.

An example of this was someone ringing me from an agency with a job in mind for me, sounded great, they asked me the usual questions regarding my current role, experience etc and off they went to send my details onto said company. A few days later the agency rang me to say the company "loved my CV" but want to to drop the wage, fair enough, I'd still go for it. A few days later, agency rings again, the company are dropping the wage again, am i still interested?? I was pretty put off by now but I said I'd still speak to the company.

Then...nothing...I can't get hold of three of the agency staff via email whereas before they communicated regularly. It's ridiculous. I'm not desperate for the job but I just find it really amateurish.

Sick and tired of using middle men!
 
I'd just use CWjobs or something and select employee only results....pretty much every agency i've had the pleasure of talking with doesn't know anything about the job in hand.
 
I've just applied for a role with an agency, who then decided to spam my CV to several other employers, one of which was my current employer. Very embarrassing conversation with my line manager followed :(
 
Yep, they've not got the funding, apparently it was a temporary measure for 3 months until the new 'supplier' was up to speed, 3 months later and the new 'supplier' are still no better but the powers that be have said no more.

Got a 6 month contract offer but at £16 an hour I can't afford to live in London on that, trying to push them to £20
 
First post in here, I just wanted to moan about job agency's really. Are there any good ones out there that specialise in IT? I'm sick to death of the pathetic communication, completely inadequate jobs recommended to me and overall woeful customer service. I understand I'm not paying for their service but considering the money they make if I got one of their recommended jobs you'd think they'd try a bit harder.

An example of this was someone ringing me from an agency with a job in mind for me, sounded great, they asked me the usual questions regarding my current role, experience etc and off they went to send my details onto said company. A few days later the agency rang me to say the company "loved my CV" but want to to drop the wage, fair enough, I'd still go for it. A few days later, agency rings again, the company are dropping the wage again, am i still interested?? I was pretty put off by now but I said I'd still speak to the company.

Then...nothing...I can't get hold of three of the agency staff via email whereas before they communicated regularly. It's ridiculous. I'm not desperate for the job but I just find it really amateurish.

Sick and tired of using middle men!

Hehe this is the bane of agents.

The Agent is a commission based salesman. They have no interest in the company or the applicants - just the commission.

When you play Game Theory with an agent the following occurs:
* Do you have a text skills match? No = drop (this is funny - they have no idea about the words, so they cannot make a judgement call between things)
* Are you available immediately for the customer? No = drop
* Are there any dates for interviews you can't make? Yes = drop (even if your wife is in A&E - they don't believe you)
* You ask for the name of the company? Yes = drop
* Have you applied anywhere else? Yes = drop
* Have you had any failed interviews? Yes = drop
* Will you apply at the maximum the job advertised and sound like you'll get it? No = drop
* Does the company like your CV? No = drop
* Did the company like you interviewed? No = drop
* Did you not pick up the phone when they called? No = drop.

My favourite - does the job side allow tailored CVs? (i.e. one CV for each job application as applying for jobs needs this)
So when you do the maths, it turns out that not having the ability to apply with unique CVs to jobs actually removes a large number of potential applicants before the search starts (because they're applied somewhere else).
Now because there's a 200:1 ratio.. the applications will apply far and wide as an applicant there is no reason to risk everything - like your mortgage - on a single application (with a 200:1 the company also has a selection so the probability doubles make that 400:1).
In the end they're actually hurting their paying customer and wasting their time in finding a match!

Dropped? Usually because you're of no monetary interest, they will not even read your emails or respond to calls. With no feedback being the result.

The problem here is that the agent is told what criteria to seek and it is binary - all or nothing. Their days are literally time sliced to make X calls and matches, just like a cold calling centre.


In the past the CV was someone reading to make the decision to invite you to interview - that's the role of the CV. Now it's a computer - it takes the job spec and the CV and computes a match based on direct text matches but also on sentence structure and possibly (more advanced) what is missing - such as stating that the role but no demonstration of achievement with the skill.

The cover letter is just as bad. Most agents are looking for a prematch. Companies are looking for a personal statement why you stand out from the crowd - specific to the company and it's goals.
The problem, once again, is that both are mutually exclusive because of the middle man's perspective.


So realistically it is no longer viable to apply via agents on job boards. In-fact that only time I have had responses or progressed to interviews has really be via direct applications because the in-house recruiters have more of a clue.
 
Ha ha ha, I know I shouldn't laugh but I've just had a message from my 'manager', he is putting together the paperwork tomorrow for a 3 month extension, not counting my chickens as it could still get canned but you have to laugh at the 'last minute.com' of it all
 
and the comedy which is pay rise talk has started where im at currently and all the manager could say when i asked about whats happening was "nothing to do with me", as im working for a charity i know what il get told whenever the board members make up their minds " its a charity" as in "you do it for that warm fuzzy feeling" if they pull that one i hope they can run the place with no staff as out of the 6 or so full timers i think all of us will be moving on come next year lol.

wouldnt mind if it was a huge amount of money but come april aldi and lidl will be paying more per hour than what any of us get currently. be it days or night shifts.
 
Ha ha ha, I know I shouldn't laugh but I've just had a message from my 'manager', he is putting together the paperwork tomorrow for a 3 month extension, not counting my chickens as it could still get canned but you have to laugh at the 'last minute.com' of it all

Indeed....perhaps take it if it does happen but I'd be tempted to push for a permanent contract or potentially look elsewhere, as they seem a but disjointed :p
 
Indeed....perhaps take it if it does happen but I'd be tempted to push for a permanent contract or potentially look elsewhere, as they seem a but disjointed :p

It's TfL, tends to be a standard with them apparently, can't afford a permanent job with them as my contract is 3 times the permanent position salary.
 
Hmmm, there is a job at the place I'm at currently, but it's completely different...

Basically it's not for the same company, it's for another company that works here...It's not IT Support (which I'm doing now) it would be graphic related (so editing images and making them clearer etc etc) - Only issues as such are that my current job is reasonably straight forward, the other job is completely different but doesn't seem difficult at all in a graphics sense, however the guy currently is getting paid more than me there so it's a potential pay rise...

It's weird, I hate my actual job at the moment, but do I want to just jump ship to something else that I may be bored in?
 
Well I'm back on my 3 month extension (was all ready on the 10th but the agency didn't even acknowledge it until the 13th) so will have to see, apparently there's some perm roles coming up after Xmas but not sure it pays enough, have to move into the flat 1st to see the figures before deciding.
 
I'm waiting on the final response.. after 3 phone + 3 f2f interviews, the HR guy is currently trying to coordinate internally following monday's interview.

Trying to curb my mind back to focus on continuing the application search.
 
Still waiting :) however the out of office response email from the guy indicates he's in a 2 day meeting.. So I wonder if that's part of the process.. Anyways fingers crossed :)
 
Had my final interview with a firm I really want to get a job at today, having jumped through loads of hoops already. Looking for a graduate job is such a morale-draining task.

Anxiety is absolutely killing me though, think my interview went pretty well, but can't count on anything.
 
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