Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Freakbro said:
I guess you haven't read much of this thread then.....as many people are claiming conspiracy theories over this incident! :p
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He has the reading comprehension of a brick. Last thread I replied to him on he couldn't even read posts further up the same page.
 
Freakbro said:
Precisely. Now, that's not to say they don't tell the truth or aren't telling the truth in this instance, but lets look at the narratives being pushed. Ours has been pretty consistent and unwavering - "The Russians did it"

The Russians so far have come up with

"Nothing happened"
"They did it themselves"
"It was food poisoning"
"The CIA did it"
"The UK did it"

and plenty of other outlandish claims. So not even consistent in their lies stories.
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The Russian attitude seems to be blame everyone else for their mistakes. Never be honest about anything. Even if they are telling the truth, no one believes them any more.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Anyone know if BZ can be in liquid form?
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I believe it can be diluted into liquids and still be potent.

From what I can see you'd need a fairly strong dose to have an effect like witnesses have described in this case.

Amnesia said:
Lavrov claims russians never researched BZ
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Researched who knows - there are a few instances where they are believed to have used it in gas form supposedly.
 
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Thanks, I was wondering if the announcement that a nerve agent in liquid form was used had further reaching meaning, i.e. telling Russia we know in what form it was delivered and what you have suggested makes that delivery method impossible.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Thanks, I was wondering if the announcement that a nerve agent in liquid form was used had further reaching meaning, i.e. telling Russia we know in what form it was delivered and what you have suggested makes that delivery method impossible.
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Not an expert on it but from the descriptions online as it is psychoactive it might fit the description of trying to reach for the sky, etc. and odd behaviour but delivering it in a dose high enough to cause any kind of longer lasting effect that would put them near death would require a fairly concentrated dose i.e. literally soaked them in it or sprayed directly in the face from a can or otherwise delivered in high enough aerosolized volume it would have affected neighbours, etc. as well. (You need something like 100x the dose of BZ to kill someone compared to Novichok).
 
So are you saying that Lavrov is talking out of his obfuscating backside again by bringing up the issue of BZ in the first place, as it wouldn't have been the lethal agent in this case anyway?
 
Freakbro said:
So are you saying that Lavrov is talking out of his obfuscating backside again by bringing up the issue of BZ in the first place, as it wouldn't have been the lethal agent in this case anyway?
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I have no idea - just looking around at the information online seems to suggest that doses high enough to cause near death or death in most people don't really fit the supposed circumstances. In cases of death or near death significant quantities have been involved.
 
Freakbro said:
So are you saying that Lavrov is talking out of his obfuscating backside again by bringing up the issue of BZ in the first place, as it wouldn't have been the lethal agent in this case anyway?
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Not the lethal agent but the russians claim is that BZ was also found and lavrov claims they have never researched it.

But Rroff has read somewhere that they have used it in gas form. So my guess is lavrov isnt the most trustworthy guy. But hey i also dont trust theresa may
 
Amnesia said:
Not the lethal agent but the russians claim is that BZ was also found and lavrov claims they have never researched it.

But Rroff has read somewhere that they have used it in gas form. So my guess is lavrov isnt the most trustworthy guy. But hey i also dont trust theresa may
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Looks like BZ only exists as an aerosolized (or dissolved in liquid) forms and not gas. So if Russia did use something like BZ then it probably wasn't the exact same stuff as BZ as those incidents supposedly a gas was used.

Again I'm no expert but googling it doesn't suggest it can kill or cause near death incapacitation from simple contact with a small amount on a door handle - it is designed for ostensibly non-lethal incapacitating effect when dispersed over an area.
 
Freakbro said:
And we have people on here who would believe them and argue our guys were lying when they said it was still blue...
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Well it's neither blue nor green, it's a series of colourless gasses intermixed with sand and residue, it's only when light hits it does the blue spectrum reflect onto the cornea. But you know, how dare people search for reality when you can just "believe" instead. Natural sciences learned it's lesson awhile ago, it's about time politics caught up to it.
 
StriderX said:
Well it's neither blue nor green, it's a series of colourless gasses intermixed with sand and residue, it's only when light hits it does the blue spectrum reflect onto the cornea. But you know, how dare people search for reality when you can just "believe" instead.
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Yes let's not forget the sky is 2 colours, blue in the day and black at night

And it's not really sky, it's atmosphere, sky is just referring to point of reference (looking up from the ground)
 
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