And then reduce that amount by ten litres per year for the next three years.
Formula 1: Refuelling to return in 2017
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And then reduce that amount by ten litres per year for the next three years.
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Yes, it is a cylon.
Errm, who is starting the car currently when Lewis flies off the line?
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Christ on a bike anyone who thinks refuelling will make things more exciting is bonkers.
It gets rid of overtaking all together, its the new tyres undercut on steroids.
It gets rid of overtaking all together, its the new tyres undercut on steroids.
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What the hell? Did you only start watching in 2009? Don't you remember how bad eight years of that decade was? It was the worst era in F1 history, before and after, for any action whatsoever.
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F1 was never exciting on track, it was great because of the technology, technique has now matured to the level that its no longer exciting.
Trying to make it exciting turns it into the BTCC rather than elite motor racing.
Trying to make it exciting turns it into the BTCC rather than elite motor racing.
If it wasn't for DRS overtaking wouldn't even really happen now. This is with aero being restricted so much.
Hamilton couldn't get passed Vettel with the much faster car in the last race even with DRS. Slipstreams simply don't exist anywhere but straights, but DRS has more of an impact on straights anyway.
By allowing complex strategies you should get cars being a lot faster than others at different stages allowing overtakes. If not, complex strategies are also interesting on their own.
So I got bored waiting for my curry to arrive and did some Man Maths.
Using the below assumptions I've worked out which strategy is best with a refuling formula and a 100KG fuel limit.
So the fastest strategy is always 1 pit stop. So with the free choice of tyres just pick 2 sets that will cover half a race each and job done.
Using the below assumptions I've worked out which strategy is best with a refuling formula and a 100KG fuel limit.
- 100 second lap
- 60 lap race
- 0.03 seconds loss per lap per KG of fuel carried
- 1.666 KG used per lap
- 0.05 seconds loss per lap per lap of fuel carried (1.666KG)
- 30 second pit stop for fuel
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Stops Strategy Total Time Diff from 0 Stops Rank
0 Stops 60 6091.5 0 3
1 Even Stop 30, 30 6076.5 -15 1
2 Even Stops 20, 20, 20 6091.5 0 3
3 Even Stops 15, 15, 15, 15 6114 22.5 6
1 Staggered Stop 40, 60 6081.5 -10 2
2 Staggered Stops 30, 15, 15 6095.25 3.75 5So the fastest strategy is always 1 pit stop. So with the free choice of tyres just pick 2 sets that will cover half a race each and job done.
Soldato
Look, too many driver aids these days! I also think refuelling will be good for the sport.
Free choice of tyres would remove that requirement I would think?
The point I'm making is refueling will produce an optimum strategy, a strategy that tyres will not impact if they have free choice. And all the teams will find the same strategy.
You might think that's no different to a tyre limited formula, and your right to a point. There are 2 key differences with refueling though. Firstly the pit stops take longer, and secondly when you come out if the pits you will be slower than you were before.
So deciding to take an extra stop hits you with a 30 second time loss and a slower car. Obviosuky swapping strategies mid race will be a bad call then. And if your stuck behind someone all you need to do to pass them is stay out one lap longer when they pit.
People can hail it as a great idea, but the decade prior to the recent ban on refueling contains more than enough evidence of how refueling ruins the racing.
What driver aids? The assistance in F1 cars is almost non existent. My 13 year old Clio has more advanced braking and traction aids!
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I wish the radio contact between driver and the team was removed.
All these changes sound nice, too bad we have to wait till 2017
All these changes sound nice, too bad we have to wait till 2017
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The best ever viewing figures for F1 was 2008. After that it went down hill to what we have now. So something must have been right?
But on the bright side MotoGp is on this week
wonder how many times they will break the lap record again.....
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The only way refuelling will make F1 more exciting in 2017 is if Maldonado is still driving. God help his pit crew.
What the hell! Just read this on Autosport:
In a 1 stop race they would need about 50KG of fuel in a pit stop, which is about 70 litres. How the hell are they going to get that much petrol I to an F1 car in under 3 second! Back in the day they took 10 seconds to get the same amount in!
In a 1 stop race they would need about 50KG of fuel in a pit stop, which is about 70 litres. How the hell are they going to get that much petrol I to an F1 car in under 3 second! Back in the day they took 10 seconds to get the same amount in!
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Shouldn't teams be limited to "x" number of each tyre compound through the season, rather than say having unlimited amounts of "softs" for the calendar?
Lets say there is a 20 race calendar, limit each tyre compound to 10 races (presuming one tyre compound change is needed per race). The team chooses which compound they use at which meeting.
Lets say there is a 20 race calendar, limit each tyre compound to 10 races (presuming one tyre compound change is needed per race). The team chooses which compound they use at which meeting.
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Massive filler and lots of pressure, Recipe for disaster.
Hilarious when you realise refueling was banned on safety grounds!
Were going to go from low pressure refueling only allowed in the garage under controlled conditions, to 10 guys in the pitlane with high pressure fire hozes full of fuel being fired into cars full of hot turbos and electricity!
This will end well...
The 'Teams choose the compounds' rule will obviously need cut off dates as they can't expect Pirelli to ship hundreds of tyres to every meeting only for half of them to sit unused, possibly for months at a time!
I would also like to see the number of people in the pit lane reduced. Make it maximum three per corner/wheel and then two fuellers.
I would also like to see the number of people in the pit lane reduced. Make it maximum three per corner/wheel and then two fuellers.
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Maybe fire is the way they are going to spice things up?
What next, sprinklers full of oil at the boring corners?
What next, sprinklers full of oil at the boring corners?