Formula 1: Refuelling to return in 2017

muon said:
Which race?

I'm sure the days of tyres flying off was earlier.
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We're talking about early releases, not tyres flying off. Adding refuelling to a pitstop creates another potential error. There were plenty of early releases throughout last season and, with refuelling taking longer than the tyres, plenty of potential for more.
 
englishpremier said:
Viewing figures in total or just in the UK because Lewis won?

Ah yes MotoGP. Should be interesting especially with Jorge back in the mix too.
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World wide figures. As of last year it was 30% down world wide. Well that's the stats that Bernie gives out.

It took a contract for Jorge to get back up front :)
I like all the riders but I'm hoping for Rossi to win the title.
 
The_Abyss said:
We're talking about early releases, not tyres flying off. Adding refuelling to a pitstop creates another potential error. There were plenty of early releases throughout last season and, with refuelling taking longer than the tyres, plenty of potential for more.
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There were not plenty of early releases last season. The only thing they do at a pitstop is change tyres. No one was released with tyres not properly changed.

The only thing that comes close is Kimi but that was a cross threading of the nut rather than everything not being done.

There is no danger in this age of a car being released with the fuel hose still attached. The crews are much better organised.
 
Maybe I'm remembering wrong but didn't refuelling get scrapped precisely because it caused all the 'overtaking' to happen with different pit strategies meaning no on track overtaking was happening at all unless a front runner had screwed up qualifying and ran an aggressive strategy (as they do now anyway).

You essentially had races where no one really knew what was going on until about 75% distance when all the fuel strategies had become apparent then that was more often than not the final result. These days though I can only imagine advanced race simulation would only result in them all picking almost identical strategy anyway.

I don't see that refuelling brings anything to the table except lowering lap times through the race due to less weight.
 
You'd need to be looking at 20 litres a second flow rate for refueling to happen within the time of the current stops.

A quick Google suggests top end UK fire hoses can push out up to 1000 litres a minute (16 litres a second), and they need a group of burly fire fighters to just hold on to them!

The the 2009 fuel rigs were pushing 12 litres a second, so your looking at almost double the pressure of the old rigs being required. There going to be nice and cheap, arent they?

It really doesn't sound like they have thought this through...
 
MagicBoy said:
Refuelling is completely unnecessary and the racing is better without it.
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Fixed ;)

Reading more on the free choice of tyres it sounds... stupid. It sounds like the teams can chose which 2 compounds to take to a race, but doesn't sat anything about the rest of the rules. So we could have all the same rules as now (the stupid need to run both compounds, the link between qualifying and the race, and the woefully inadequate allocation [they have less tyres for the weekend now than they did when they ran the Bridgestones that lasted the whole race]), but also have the complete lottery of teams picking the wrong tyres. What happens if half the field pick a tyre combination that wears too quickly and they are just unable to finish the race without driving like a granny?

And what are they going to take to a brand new circuit? If people thought the 2012 tyre lottery was bad they ain't seen nothing yet!
 
One of the guys in the Autosport verdict article says this all feels like a knee jerk reaction to Mercedes dominating, and tbh that's exactly what it feels like.

Zero common sense.
 
Yet apparently Mercedes are in agreement with everything suggested except the increase to five engines this season instead of four, which isn't happening anyway.
 
I thought they originally got rid of refuelling for safety reasons? Can't say I am looking forward to this as it's going to ruin the sport even more. Any overtaking will be done in the pits just like the last time we had refuelling. They are going to get the opposite effect of what they want and even less people will be watching.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
The FIA do seem to go round in circles at the moment!
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Not entirely true.

They haven't brought back ground effect.

Downforce that allows you to follow closely without being affected by the car in fronts wake turbulence and with minimal drag sounds like the FIA's wet dream at the moment. But just ignored again.

I'd be happy with 2 element front wings with a consistent chord across both elements *ie, no funky curves and so on* and a 2 element rear wing, again with a consistent chord across both elements... and ground effect.

Imagine them at Monza removing the wings and just using the ground effect. :D

Interestingly, some of the lower formula cars removed the top elements of the rear wing, leaving the beam wing only at places like Monza.
 
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