It's a good question that I'm afraid I just don't have the answer to. I can however confirm that in accordance with the new diktat we have performed a purge of every monitor product post from the shop pre-2012.
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It's a good question that I'm afraid I just don't have the answer to. I can however confirm that in accordance with the new diktat we have performed a purge of every monitor product post from the shop pre-2012.
Bungle is hated because during the day he walks around stark bollock naked, but for some bonkers reason he puts pyjamas on at night................
See here for the updated rules, written by the shop and the forum admin team which are more recent than the post you linked.
Specifically the paragraph which starts "Whilst we allow". If such a discussion were to be started, it would be moved to Speakers Corner and moderated accordingly.
So I'm guessing it was a thread on whether trans women are real women or something? I didn't see it but I can imagine why it'd be a heated discussion or transcend into worse. If we have threads which go into arguments over Intel vs AMD or AMD vs NVIDIA and which one is better that leads to locks or mod intervention, we'll have it for contentious topics.
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So what is the only acceptable prescribed view on this subject then? Just to clarify so no-one gets banned.
Why not stick it in public? Seems dodgy.Drop me a private message conversation thing.
Post what you like in accordance with the actual forum rules. If you're a major supporter of trans rights and wish to post a thread then go ahead, but be respectful as per the rules. If you think its nonsense, the same applies.
Things have moved on. There's now the LGCTQIA+ version which has a straight six, and the LGBV8TQIA+ which has the Rover V8 fitted.
Hope this clears things up.
Yeah it was closed because the usual folks can't have their little bubble shattered and it just lead to harassment on other social media, cos you know, they are such good guys and all that.
I'm still not sure why cyberflashing needed its own mention when it's covered by the adult material one, but hey them's the rules
Isn't this some kind of remote bios update?
Maybe it covers being sent it in a PM/conversation? As it wouldn't be a topic you could send adult material to another forum member, but not flash them?I'm still not sure why cyberflashing needed its own mention when it's covered by the adult material one, but hey them's the rules
The problem there is that saying that it's nonsense would absolutely be classed as "transphobic" and would therefore breach the actual forum rules. Any dissent from the approved position is called "transphobic", so in practice the only thing allowed under the actual forum rules is whatever is the approved position at the time. But not even that, really, because changes in the approved position are always applied retroactively so what's approved now might be repositioned as unacceptable at any point in the future. So the only thing that would definitely fit the actual forums rules is mindless adulation and praise. Even silence might not be enough, since even that has been framed not just as hatred but as actual violence. Somehow.
It's always been a case of the rules are the rules, they make and apply the rules how they see fit. No further discussion, if we don't like them we can choose to not use the forum.
I get where you're coming from and share your concerns, and although I can't make guarantees I can explain where I see things from my POV.
The political outlook of the mod team is mixed, and due to that, healthy debate is constant. We generally boil things away from agenda driven "approved positions" or assumptions of what is and isn't racist or Xphobic and get down to "was this person being nice" within the context of conversation, as has been described by other mods above. Nothing has really changed there, it's just some nice buzzwords have been added to keep the Corpos happy.
I personally am very much against the overall agenda pushing that I perceive to be going on across western culture, including other forms of social media/discussion boards such as twitter and reddit, especially when it comes to things that limit free speech. This place isn't a democracy, or a free speech free for all (I think we all agree that - unfortunately - just wouldn't work) however I can assure you that the team continue to try their hardest to focus on simply keeping things as civil, avoiding expectations and noise from outside sources wherever possible, like we always have. It's one of the things that had made this place so great over the years in my opinion, which is why this external influence has been difficult. Sometimes, as with this statement and soft rule rewording, things are out of our hands, and hopefully people can understand that. I can assure you that as long as I personally am a member of the team, the sort of thing you describe will be fought against wherever it rears its head.
Well said, but you're fighting a losing battle because it's impossible for a forum to avoid external influence. The mod team here does a good job and I agree that it has been one of the things that make these forums much better than many but some things are, as you say, out of your hands. The rules make anything other than mindless adulation and praise explicitly forbidden. How those rules are implemented is of some relevance but it doesn't change what the rules are. I'm not blaming the mod team for it. Nor am I blaming the business itself - it has to protect itself against threats to its business. It's just how things are.
Do you perceive our current moderation as allowing only mindless adulation and praise? I don't know about you but I'd like to think a mod team that themselves challenges progressive ideology shouldn't strike anyone as one that allows only adulation and praise ref "the message". This rule wording change won't affect that.
I've read the official statement posted after the thread on the forbidden topic was erased and I've read the changes to the forum rules. I don't know what the mod team would allow regardless of the official statement and official rules and I don't know how long they would be allowed to allow it for, so I'm going on the official statement and the official rules. Some things are, as you say, out of your hands. External pressures exist. I didn't say that the mod team wants to only allow adulation and praise of the dominant ideological position. The mod team isn't running their own forums that they own and which exist in a bubble somehow impossible for external influences to affect.
I will, of course, completely self-censor in compliance with the stated rules. Anything else is a risk. Which is why people self-censor.
The crux of the issue is that a very simple phrase can be seen as transphobic by a certain subset of individuals so any discussion on the matter is inherently transphobic regardless of where the thread is, be it in here in GD or SC. From memory the thread that was deleted didn't contain anything abusive outside of maybe one or 2 posts that were swiftly dealt with by the mod team here, however due to OCUK kowtowing to a couple of people trying to start a pile-on on social media what's to stop that happening again if any sort of thread discussion is started?
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I see a certain parallel with any comments in any way critical of Ukraine and the allowed comments on what many consider deviancy. One very large UK forum has the owner openly stating any post critical of Ukraine results in a permanent ban.
That's beyond Draconian.
Such is not democracy, nor true discussion. It's the creation of an enforced echo chamber.
They confirm the weaknesses of the positions and arguments of those that wish to suppress such discussion.
I hope the moderators personal opinions of all contentious subjects can be held in collective abeyance to stop such an echo chamber ruining all purpose of running a discussion forum. My take until now has been they are generally balanced in this regard, for which I thank them.
But the list of taboo matters does seem to bring me recollection of reading the book "1984"…
That's beyond Draconian.
Such is not democracy, nor true discussion. It's the creation of an enforced echo chamber.
They confirm the weaknesses of the positions and arguments of those that wish to suppress such discussion.
I hope the moderators personal opinions of all contentious subjects can be held in collective abeyance to stop such an echo chamber ruining all purpose of running a discussion forum. My take until now has been they are generally balanced in this regard, for which I thank them.
But the list of taboo matters does seem to bring me recollection of reading the book "1984"…