Forza 2 Demo - Feedback

I love it, spent a good while trying different cars and the handling is great, realistic enough whilst still being fun to pick up. Graphics aren't mind blowing, but meh, rather have a good game that doesn't look great than something really flash and lacking in gameplay.. [looks at barely used GOW disc]

Think I might preorder this, make sure I get it on release date :)
 
Love it, played it for 30mins and the handling with just ABS is imo very good...

For about 1min the graphics looked a bit ropey, but, as soon as i got racing i forgot all about that and enjoyed it... Definately going to pre-order now. :)

Who was the clown who said tyre noise was all wrong? sounded just fine to me... Just need to get a wheel and pedals for my 360, i havent looked into it yet, but i expect my Logitech G25 isnt compatible, and i dont expect my MSFF wheel will be either as its very old.
 
Why are people getting in a huff over the time penalty system i should think in proper game you can adjust it or turn it off not sure though.

Plus in the demo it dosnt effect your position you come at all infact i dont think it even works in demo. If the time penalty worked you would lose your position i have finished race with penaltys and cars just behind me and still come 1st place. I dont even think it effect laps times either that why i had assumption it does not work at all.

But agree it gives silly time penaltys away but im sure full game that can be adjusted like to think so. :)
 
WOW, just been playing for about an hour, 1.01 is my best time atm. In the porsche, A class, its so fun. ABS on, everything else off. So pre-ordering now, can't wait for the full game now. ;)
 
dannyjo22 said:
Hmmm tough one. Smooth framerate. I always like the chase view, but spent my life in the gravel. Switched to the view with dials on the screen and instantly never ran wide again :confused: Honestly I was 40 seconds faster. But that view for me is hideous.

The car looks just awful. Like the Nascar in daytona on the bloody Saturn :(

The track and scenary are fine by me but the car is shocking.

The brakes too, I had everything turned off. It felt like I was driving and braking on ice.

Thats not to say I hate the game, I'm going to give it a lot more effort over the weekend before I write it off.

I think I might play this eventually on rental but settle for the next PGR.

Thats probably the problem coming from PGR your probably trying to play it to arcadey which i did at first. Stick ABS on and leave others off or put all Assists on i suggest trying both before you give up on this game.

Your annoyed by the braking its simple you pressing trigger to much because you have ABS off it causing brakes to lock which is sending you into gravel no doubt. This dosnt happen with ABS on though as your see when you trying it im pretty sure your make it ok after a few races and your be doing laps fine then can turn assists off when used to it. It can be done with the pad with everything off but i found it personally very hard without ABS on. Although my friend come over earlier and showed me how it done he done it pretty perfectly although a few lock ups but never went off track only when he messed up braking point a few times. Trust me have 30 races round the track and come back and tell me its rubbish i doubt i will be hearing same opinion when you played it more.

Cant say i agree on your other comments i still go with what said earlier still look decent to me cant say its PGR 3 but thats 30 fps added effects this is not. Scenery and Enviroments are superb especially when you take a nose around in a car and not race looks great to me. Car models are not bad either cant really fault them tbh the decent enough and handling and physics are great. And for sound its for me best audio i have heard in 360 racing game so far by quite a margin. Cant wait for the full game doing the career and all the customisation etc buying cars doing them up and putting ludicrously big engines in small cars and racing Enzos etc. :) This game has so much more then this demo is not even showing there still more tracks to play and hell of a lot more to do 70+ hour career the demonstration and what ive read on career i just cant wait any longer.
 
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EezerGoode said:
How can you judge a games loading time when its loading from a HD and not a disk?

Well it's not exactly quick to load from HDD so it can only be slower loading from disc.
 
This game ROCKS :D had my first go on it last night, my mate brought his 360 around as mine is being repaird, well anyway I loved it to bits, anyone whos serious about driving will use the bumper view (external view is for girls :p ) so the lack of AA really was'nt much of an issue for me, the cars felt a tiny bit sluggish but I choose to rise above that annoyance and just enjoy the demo and that I did :) , the draw distance is very nice, I loved GT-HD but I feel the scenery is much better in Forza 2 as it feels much more intergrated, in GT-HD the 2D mountain picture just does'nt do it for me,

can't wait until the full game is out, this is leagues ahead of PGR3 and I feel much better corner handling than GT-HD.

I still say GTR2 owns all though :p
 
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bingham67 said:
Thats probably the problem coming from PGR your probably trying to play it to arcadey which i did at first. Stick ABS on and leave others off or put all Assists on i suggest trying both before you give up on this game.

Your annoyed by the braking its simple you pressing trigger to much because you have ABS off it causing brakes to lock which is sending you into gravel no doubt. This dosnt happen with ABS on though as your see when you trying it im pretty sure your make it ok after a few races and your be doing laps fine then can turn assists off when used to it. It can be done with the pad with everything off but i found it personally very hard without ABS on. Although my friend come over earlier and showed me how it done he done it pretty perfectly although a few lock ups but never went off track only when he messed up braking point a few times. Trust me have 30 races round the track and come back and tell me its rubbish i doubt i will be hearing same opinion when you played it more.

Cant say i agree on your other comments i still go with what said earlier still look decent to me cant say its PGR 3 but thats 30 fps added effects this is not. Scenery and Enviroments are superb especially when you take a nose around in a car and not race looks great to me. Car models are not bad either cant really fault them tbh the decent enough and handling and physics are great. And for sound its for me best audio i have heard in 360 racing game so far by quite a margin. Cant wait for the full game doing the career and all the customisation etc buying cars doing them up and putting ludicrously big engines in small cars and racing Enzos etc. :) This game has so much more then this demo is not even showing there still more tracks to play and hell of a lot more to do 70+ hour career the demonstration and what ive read on career i just cant wait any longer.

I'm not pulling in and holding the brake. I'm more on and off rapidly. Strange thing is it's only a problem in chase view. In the other view its not braking the same as chase. Try it, see for yourself so I know I'm not going nuts :D
 
For those who have played the demo, can I just ask what the replays are like compared with the first Forza? Are they the same style or different?

I found Forza's replays disappointing because they would often involve a close-up of your own car, or jump to the bumper view, just as you were pulling off a sweet overtake, or drifting round a corner. I think that replays were one of Forza's weak points. Games which have nailed the replays are Toca Race Driver 3 and of course GT.
 
dirtydog said:
For those who have played the demo, can I just ask what the replays are like compared with the first Forza? Are they the same style or different?

I don't really recall the replays in Forza 1, but from your description the ones I have watched sound quite similar in Forza 2.

The only camera views are the ones you can use when actually playing, plus one that jumps to random views. Would have been nice if you could just watch the whole thing from fixed point, track side cameras, but I don't think they have included those.
 
I eventually got to play the demo last night after 4 hours downloading (that new auto-off after downloads feature didn't work for me :(.)
First impressions.... a bit underwhelmed the first time I played it really. It didn't immediately feel any more amazing than any other racing game I've played on the 360. I don't care about the "jaggies", I'm 90% interested in game-play and 10% in the looks! After a few races I started to appreciate it and now I think it's fantastic. For me everything about it is pretty-much perfect; driving, sound and looks. I'd already pre-ordered my copy and I can't wait for it to arrive now.

What with almost everyone here commenting on the braking, I was a bit wary about it to start with. I decided to take ABS off straight away to see what the fuss was about. Yes, it may be a little sensitive but I don't find it a problem at all. I press the trigger gently and as I slow down I press it a little further to increase the braking. I locked up a few times due to my careless driving but I like having to think more about my driving. My non-ABS lap times are almost the same as my ABS lap times. In fact, with ABS off, I take more care in the approach to the corner and I'm sure this helps my lap times :).
 
Teletraan-82 said:
I don't really recall the replays in Forza 1, but from your description the ones I have watched sound quite similar in Forza 2.

The only camera views are the ones you can use when actually playing, plus one that jumps to random views.
Exactly like Forza 1 then, by the sounds of it.

Would have been nice if you could just watch the whole thing from fixed point, track side cameras, but I don't think they have included those.
Yes that would have been perfect. The track side cameras are perfectly good, but just when it's about to get to a good bit it goes to a close-up of your car and you miss it... :(

(As someone who loves cars in general, I can happily sit and watch a long replay all the way through - but the Forza ones are disappointing)
 
dirtydog said:
(As someone who loves cars in general, I can happily sit and watch a long replay all the way through - but the Forza ones are disappointing)

Aye, I had a couple of close moments with the AI in the demo yesterday, but I couldn't find any way during the replays to actually see them close up in any sort of detail, which kind of defeats the point.
 
Well, after 2 hours last night of Solid FM2, I will definitely be buying this one!..

Graphics - After everyones initial comments, I was expecting much worse then it actually is, I can agree with some of the comments, but the more I look at certain things, the more impressive it is, for example, the scenery/trees/backdrops/sky/reflections/tyre mark lighting, crowds, are all very very well done.. the cars are 'OK'. I think this is where the 'problem' may be, to please the screen shot critics, I think they should have concentrated more on the car's and the track, and left the stunning trees/mountains out of it, but quite frankly once I started racing, I never looked at the graphics again..
Control - The controls are very good, the wheel works very very well, as with all console/pc games, it can never feel like the real thing, but there's enough to give you something to work with.. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BRAKES without ABS, even on the Pad, there is plenty of trigger travel to modulate braking, I had no problem with it all, it's very 'sim' though , but checking the telemetry out, you can see that it doesn't lock up until the last few percent of the brake value..
Physics - The other aspect that a lot of negative comments have been made, so I was prepared for disappointment.. However, I certainly wasn't.. Sure at first it's a bit alien, I'd been playing GTR2 on the PC to get some wheel time in on the MS 360 Wheel, and FM2 does feel different, but when trying to get some good laps in the Mclaren F1 I became very very impressed with the physics. I can't comment on engine/tyre wear etc, as this demo is in arcade mode for that, but I'd say for the massively powerful cars such as the Macca, it responds instantly, as I'd expect, and you can catch it from going pear shaped if you are quick enough, very rewarding. My only comment, other then not being able to appraise tyre/engine wear etc would be that the tracks are, as with all sims, a bit too smooth, there are some minor bumps that make control a bit tricky, but I would love a sim to have a more realistic bumpy surface, forcing you to find the right line to get traction etc.. but that's a criticism of all Sims..
I have seen the comments on Body Roll, and apart from the class A cars being a little 'stiff' there is plenty of squat under acceleration/braking, and there is some body roll, it's not massive granted, but it's definitely there.. maybe they should exaggerate it a bit more to please more people, but it's OK for me.
AI - is on the whole very good, they do move and react most of the time, they will defend their racing line, as expected, but occasionally they will tap you for no apparantly good reason..
MS Wheel Support - On the Class A cars, the wheel seems to offer little, feeling a bit clumsy, and I just reached out for the Pad (had to exit the game to do this) which fely a bit better.. However, going upto the TVR and then the Macca F1, the wheel starts to really come into it's own, this is when you need the finer control offered by the wheel, and the longer brake/accelerator travel gives you a more progressive braking/accelerating experience, very necessary for decent lap times. The pad is OK, and people where getting good laptimes with it, but for consistancy and the whole experience, as well as being able to put in good lap times, the wheel doesn't disappoint..


Conclusion -
The graphics could have been done differently to please the masses, there are some really superb graphics in the game, they are just not centered around the car ala GTHD, but then GT:HD is the opposite, beautiful cars, crap everything else.. FM2 is beautiful everything else, decent enough cars..
Other then that, a great game, certainly 8-9/10..
 
Demon
I appreciate your post, its actually worth reading and seems fair.
This is going to be a good racing game, some have been far too judgemental on certain things and even after playing the demo for a few minutes they then want to base their opinion or verdict on it as final within their first session. Im really going to try and get into this over the next few weeks.

It is different in graphical style and feel over other games i will have to and i hope you also try to see how the pad times may compare, seems your pretty quick mate.

I would however say a that i tried ABS off on the McLaren and i would hope the full game offers sensitivity settings, the very slightest touch is all that is neeed on the pedals particulary with the faster cars with more bhp, tricky to handle but then isnt that the learning curve thats different for each car.

To give further evidence of this drive the McLaren for 15 minutes then jump in the TVR Sagaris, corning speeds, handling and driving style changes so much in fact after being used to the Mclarens speeds you feel particulary on corners 2+3 your barely moving because you have to take these corners so much slower in the Sagaris as its so easy to let go of the back end.
 
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Managed to have 15 mins on this morning, i'll admit the car models could be a bit smoother, the rest of the environment however is very nice.

It did confirm one thing for me however, i'm CRAP at racing games :p. I'm going to have to give this some practice to see if there's any chance of me improving, otherwise there's no point me buying this game :)
 
I haven't got the wheel so I may be talking rubbish but it sounds like the brake pedel needs stiffening up a lot if people are locking up that easily. If you think of a real car the brakes have little travel and respond more to pressure than anything else. I've always found that wheels in the past you could just floor the brakes with very little resistance.

Someone need to mod theirs with a big spring or lump of foam/rubber underneath and report back :D
 
Jaggies, brakes blah blah. I had a dam good laugh playing it and that's what counts for me. I'll leave ABS on as I doubt i'd drive any of these cars without it anyway. I will turn traction and stability control off as then I can have fun sliding round the corners.

Cheers for the ABS related posts though, had a real laff reading most of those!! Can't believe anyone really cares that much but hey, this is a forum.
 
With ABS off, you barely need to press brake and it stops fine, pressing it all the way down does absolutley nothing differnent from pressing it halfway down.
 
I've just had a quick 15 minute go and I like it so far and I think it looks very nice.

Shame I'm crap at driving! Need more practice.
 
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