Foxes

Nana · 17 Feb 2006 at 16:33

Borris said:
Shooting an urban fox is just unneccesary though.

who mentioned urban foxes... I wouldn't use a firearm in a built up area myself, as it is I have a reasonably large piece of private land where I frequently walk about with my rifle.

And if I see a fox, it is a perfectly valid target.

phykell · 17 Feb 2006 at 21:13

Nana said:
And if I see a fox, it is a perfectly valid target.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that...

Mickey_D · 18 Feb 2006 at 08:11

phykell said:
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that...

In the case of a fox, it's called preventative measures. It's not a case of IF it will become a problem that will require disposing of the animal, but WHEN. It is far easier to dispose of it when you see it than it is to try and track it down after it has already destroyed an entire hen house, killed your cat, gotten jiggy with your dog (leaving it mentally unstable for the rest of its life), and dug a trench under your "security fence", leaving you with several thousand quid worth of damage that you KNOW it will return and repeat as soon as you've fixed everything.

So yes, when you see one in the proximity to your property, it IS a valid target. Just like coyotes, wild dogs, crows/ravens are around here.

Zip · 18 Feb 2006 at 08:15

Mickey_D said:
In the case of a fox, it's called preventative measures. It's not a case of IF it will become a problem that will require disposing of the animal, but WHEN. It is far easier to dispose of it when you see it than it is to try and track it down after it has already destroyed an entire hen house, killed your cat, gotten jiggy with your dog (leaving it mentally unstable for the rest of its life), and dug a trench under your "security fence", leaving you with several thousand quid worth of damage that you KNOW it will return and repeat as soon as you've fixed everything.

So yes, when you see one in the proximity to your property, it IS a valid target. Just like coyotes, wild dogs, crows/ravens are around here.

Has that all happend to you Mickey_D?
I couldnt help but laugh when u said "gotten jiggy with your dog (leaving it mentally unstable for the rest of its life)"

sorry

Foxes are a big problem down here aswell. People just cant get rid of them.

Nana · 18 Feb 2006 at 08:49

phykell said:
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that...

I don't need to because not being a towny I *know* that foxes NEED killing.

theleg · 18 Feb 2006 at 08:51

Once again im surprised by Nanas opinion on this

I really should stop pigeon holing people.

Nana · 18 Feb 2006 at 08:57

Balddog said:
Once again im surprised by Nanas opinion on this I really should stop pigeon holing people.

I'm a surprising guy.

It took absolutely years for HM government to approve my firearms license application, but now I have a beautiful ruger bolt action .22

two 10 shot mags one with subsonics for bunnies and one with velocitor rounds (775 fps muzzle velocity) for foxes. Bought me an ex soviet army optic... which cost more than everything else added together, but it makes it such a nice weapon to use. Also we have had our egloo raided and every single bird left dead so many times that we have for the time being, not got any birds, until the foxes are under control.

phykell · 18 Feb 2006 at 09:45

Nana said:
I don't need to because not being a towny I *know* that foxes NEED killing.

Oh yes, that arcane knowledge that "townies" can't ever comprehend.

There's just no way around it, people like killing animals for fun which explains quite a lot really.

Nana · 18 Feb 2006 at 09:48

phykell said:
Oh yes, that arcane knowledge that "townies" can't eever comprehend.

There's just no way around it, people like killing animals for fun which explains quite a lot really.

it is our innate aggression and violence that has meant our survival as a species. At least I am human enough to recognise and enjoy my more basic urges.

phykell · 18 Feb 2006 at 09:55

Nana said:
it is our innate aggression and violence that has meant our survival as a species. At least I am human enough to recognise and enjoy my more basic urges.

It is our compassion and respect for life which have made our societies successful. At least I am human enough to respect life in all forms and to ignore my more basic urges.

Your "innate aggression and violence" as you put it, are holding the human race back.

Can you kindly explain to me why I feel no need or urge to kill small , defencless animals? Is it the same reason that I never wanted to go to football matches for fights? I wonder if the people who do enjoy fighting at football matches use the same excuse that you do, that they are simply enjoying their more basic urges...

Nana · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:00

phykell said:
It is our compassion and respect for life which has made our societies successful.

sorry but that is complete tosh. Specifically OUR societies are still around because we developed nuclear weapons first... modern human societies exist because we killed all opposition, not because we embraced it.

At least I am human enough to respect life in all forms and to ignore my more basic urges.

or perhaps lacking in humanity and are a product of conurbations?

Your "innate aggression and violence" as you put it, are holding the human race back.

tell that to the neanderthals

Can you kindly explain to me why I feel no need or urge to kill small , defencless animals? Is it the same reason that I never wanted to go to football matches for fights? I wonder if the people who do enjoy fighting at football matches use the same excuse that you do, that they are simply enjoying their more basic urges...

you have never eaten a fish that you caught 2 minutes beforehand. You've never had to hunt to eat, you've probably never shot and then skinned 4 rabbits and made possibly the most delicious stew ever, so you are not in a position to comment as your viewpoint stems from ignorance, sentimental ignorance for sure but ignorance nonetheless, but I recognise the foundation of our survival has been our ability to hunt and gather and our ability to kill everything which opposes us, from bears and wolves to other humans. You will never understand the security that the knowledge of guaranteed survival gives one.

phykell · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:35

Nana said:
sorry but that is complete tosh. Specifically OUR societies are still around because we developed nuclear weapons first... modern human societies exist because we killed all opposition, not because we embraced it.

Specifically OUR societies are still around DESPITE the fact we developed nuclear weapons first... modern human societies exist DESPITE the fact we killed all opposition and who knows what it could have been if we had embraced it.

Nana said:
...or perhaps lacking in humanity and are a product of conurbations?

Your assumptions are becoming tiresome. Just because I don't share your love of killing defenceless animals doesn't mean I'm necessarily what people like you love to dismiss as a "townie".

Nana said:
you have never eaten a fish that you caught 2 minutes beforehand. You've never had to hunt to eat, you've probably never shot and then skinned 4 rabbits and made possibly the most delicious stew ever, so you are not in a position to comment as your viewpoint stems from ignorance, sentimental ignorance for sure but ignorance nonetheless, but I recognise the foundation of our survival has been our ability to hunt and gather and our ability to kill everything which opposes us, from bears and wolves to other humans. You will never understand the security that the knowledge of guaranteed survival gives one.

You don't even know me. How can YOU tell me where I live, what I know, what I've done and what I haven't? And then you have the nerve to tell me I'm being ignorant. The irony! I've never heard such a load of presumptious, ignorant rhetoric! You can say what you want but your attitude in this thread betrays the fact that you actually enjoy killing animals. Think what you will, that disgusts me.

panthro · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:41

paul8811 said:
Anyone else have a Fox camped outside there bedroom window making horrible horrible noise all night long till 6am

How can I get rid of the pesky git!!

Nick his camping gear. When he realises he has no camping gaz, he will be down the army surplus store, and thats when you can check your garden fences for holes and if there are any, block them up.

dirtydog · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:44

Nana said:
it is our innate aggression and violence that has meant our survival as a species. At least I am human enough to recognise and enjoy my more basic urges.

I think rapists do that too, but it doesn't make it acceptable...

Nana · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:45

phykell said:
Specifically OUR societies are still around DESPITE the fact we developed nuclear weapons first... modern human societies exist DESPITE the fact we killed all opposition and who knows what it could have been if we had embraced it.

I strongly disagree with you, and we will have to agree to disagree.

Your assumptions are becoming tiresome. Just because I don't share your love of killing defenceless animals doesn't mean I'm necessarily what people like you love to dismiss as a "townie".

ok, where do you live?

You don't even know me. How can YOU tell me where I live, what I know, what I've done and what I haven't? And then you have the nerve to tell me I'm being ignorant. The irony! I've never heard such a load of presumptious, ignorant rhetoric! You can say what you want but your attitude in this thread betrays the fact that you actually enjoy killing animals. Think what you will, that disgusts me.

well you are prepared to criticise my decisions without any knowledge of me... so I feel my comments are not out of line.

Have you eaten food you've killed? why not instead of just being ultra defensive you actually post some of your experiences so I can retract my accusation of ignorance.

Nana · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:45

dirtydog said:
I think rapists do that too, but it doesn't make it acceptable...

are you actually comparing hunting for food, to rape?

and tbh the urge to hunt and gather is normal, the urge (if it can be described as an urge)you talk about is a symptom of a mental sickness.

dirtydog · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:48

Nana said:
are you actually comparing hunting for food, to rape?

I'm comparing people enjoying their basic urges to rape. You said that if something is a basic human urge then it is therefore automatically okay to do it.

Nana · 18 Feb 2006 at 10:49

dirtydog said:
I'm comparing people enjoying their basic urges to rape. You said that if something is a basic human urge then it is therefore automatically okay to do it.

no I didn't. I justified my enjoyment of hunting as it satisfies one of my basic human urges. ergo, reaffirming my humanity, whereas rape, isnt exactly representative of nhumanity, and it certainly isn't a foundation of our survival.

phykell · 18 Feb 2006 at 11:38

Nana said:
I strongly disagree with you, and we will have to agree to disagree.

No we won't, can't you debate this? Can you tell me what place violence has in a society? Do you not believe that our society could have got to where it is a little quicker had it not been for our violence? Do you not believe that violence and a lack of compassion are indications of a lack of advancement? As I said, we are where we are despite our violent past, not because of it.

Nana said:
ok, where do you live?

What? you don't want to know where I was born, where and how I grew up, etc. You can base your opinion solely on where I live now?

Nana said:
well you are prepared to criticise my decisions without any knowledge of me... so I feel my comments are not out of line.

Wrong. I'm criticising your "decisions" based on what you've written in this thread and on my personal respect for all life.

Nana said:
Have you eaten food you've killed? why not instead of just being ultra defensive you actually post some of your experiences so I can retract my accusation of ignorance.

Why should I? Why should membership of your "club" qualify my opinion? your "argument", such as it is, seems to rely on attacking the poster. How about concentrating on what you do know rather than making wild accusations about me?

Nix · 18 Feb 2006 at 11:55

Nana, do you really think Neandathols went out 'on the pull'? The more than likely realisation is they just beat who they wanted with a club and had their way.
I agree with with you Nana, in that you're saying that hunting is a basic urge.
Dirtydog is saying that sex is also a basic urge; humanity wouldn't exist if there wasn't an urge to reproduce.

Despite what you think Nana, that doesn't make it true. I agree with phykell - society has progressed far enough now where we should be able to repress any such instincts.