FreeSync coming next month! (?)

Ian Evey · 17 Oct 2014 at 13:15

pgi947 said:
I also no longer care about premiums be it from either side, worth paying for IMO.

Now where are those 1440 res 144hz g-sync monitors for £300

shankly1985 · 17 Oct 2014 at 13:37

andybird123 said:
Gsync is tuned on a per monitor basis and supports whatever the minimum refresh rate the monitor supports, if that is one fps then gsync supports it, so no freesync does not magically support wider refresh ranges than gsync, they both support whatever the monitor makers put in the monitor as supported

You have any proof to back this up? because I cant find anything that states what you saying. All I find is Gsync below 30hz still shows stutter.

shankly1985 · 17 Oct 2014 at 13:46

Gregster said:
I don't play CS:GO and as for any other game, the frames vary from game to game and some games run 45 fps and another will be 100's. I don't bother running with MSI AB or frame counters and just enjoy the game in truth.

Fair enough.

bru · 17 Oct 2014 at 14:18

Could I just say. Why not wait until we actually have a FreeSync monitor available to test it against Gsync. Because just going by what AMD have said in some video interview or other isn't exactly a good idea, I mean Mr Huddy the gaming scientist has no reason to play up FreeSync and down play Gsync at all now does he.

He has already made retractions on what was said during one of those interviews, when it turned out not to be accurate, so it could happen again.

Lets wait and see.

Orangey · 17 Oct 2014 at 14:36

As I understand it, sync technologies either work or don't, not even sure what meaningful metrics you would use to bench them against each other.

andybird123 · 17 Oct 2014 at 14:41

shankly1985 said:
You have any proof to back this up? because I cant find anything that states what you saying. All I find is Gsync below 30hz still shows stutter.

Tom peterson said it in the pcper video / interview / gsync review

Gregster · 17 Oct 2014 at 14:46

I honestly feel that any game that runs under 30 fps will stutter regardless of Sync technology running.

Orangey · 17 Oct 2014 at 14:46

So.... don't listen to Huddy, do listen to Tom Peterson.

Got it.

Gregster · 17 Oct 2014 at 14:58

Orangey said:
As I understand it, sync technologies either work or don't, not even sure what meaningful metrics you would use to bench them against each other.

You could use one of those super high speed cameras (no idea how many fps they can record) to record gameplay and then run them side by side.

I remember this video from a while back showing Tiger Woods golf swing in super slo mo and the camera would pick up the differences big time.

shankly1985 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:11

Gregster said:
I honestly feel that any game that runs under 30 fps will stutter regardless of Sync technology running.

But if this sync tech does what you guy say it does then on a 60hz FreeSync display it should stay smooth even below 30hz FreeSync 60hz 9-60Hz
So anywhere between 9 and 60.

Gsync is 30-60

andybird123 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:12

Orangey said:
So.... don't listen to Huddy, do listen to Tom Peterson.

Got it.

Where did I say don't listen to huddy?
If we are talking gsync then yeah, i'm guessing the guy that works on it knows more than the guy who doesnt :confused:

shankly1985 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:12

andybird123 said:
Tom peterson said it in the pcper video / interview / gsync review

Not the proof I was expecting tbh is the a spec sheet for Gsync listing all the refresh rate ranges?

Ayahuasca · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:19

9 frames is not going to look smooth with any sync. I'd bet everything I have on it.

andybird123 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:22

shankly1985 said:
Not the proof I was expecting tbh is the a spec sheet for Gsync listing all the refresh rate ranges?

The only spec sheet that exists that shows ranges is the original Asus 1080p one, everyone has just assumed that the minimum from that monitor applies to every monitor

Orangey · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:27

andybird123 said:
Where did I say don't listen to huddy?
If we are talking gsync then yeah, i'm guessing the guy that works on it knows more than the guy who doesnt

Not to be a pedant but he doesn't work on it, he's a PR robot.

shankly1985 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:27

Ayahuasca said:
9 frames is not going to look smooth with any sync. I'd bet everything I have on it.

What makes you think I mean running at 9fps? Am talking more about the 25fps to 30fps range. Would it still stay smooth?

Gregster · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:29

shankly1985 said:
But if this sync tech does what you guy say it does then on a 60hz FreeSync display it should stay smooth even below 30hz FreeSync 60hz 9-60Hz
So anywhere between 9 and 60.

Gsync is 30-60

You are missing my point. Whilst I have tested games with/without G-Sync at under 30 fps, it wasn't a pretty sight and understandably so. If you think Freesync will make games smooth at under 30 fps, that is your call but the reality will be very different.

shankly1985 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:31

Gregster said:
You are missing my point. Whilst I have tested games with/without G-Sync at under 30 fps, it wasn't a pretty sight and understandably so. If you think Freesync will make games smooth at under 30 fps, that is your call but the reality will be very different.

Because Gsync don't work correctly under 30fps, or is it under 40 fps you start to see less effect.
On paper Freesync support refresh rate lower than Gsync so it could very well work better at lower fps.
That's the point I getting at.

andybird123 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:34

shankly1985 said:
What makes you think I mean running at 9fps? Am talking more about the 25fps to 30fps range. Would it still stay smooth?

No, even with gsync 31fps still looks like 31fps, so 25 is still going to look bad regardless of gsync/freesync or not

As has been pointed out time and again, gsync helps smooth out dips from your target, but half the frame rate and you still notice, albeit not as glaringly as with vsync

E.g. I aim to run 120+, dips to 80-90 I dont notice, but dips to 60 I do, but not as annoying as running 120 and seeing it effectively doing 120-60-120-60

Your point is moot, because anything at half your reference point or less just looks bad full stop

shankly1985 · 17 Oct 2014 at 15:38

andybird123 said:
No, even with gsync 31fps still looks like 31fps, so 25 is still going to look bad regardless of gsync/freesync or not

As has been pointed out time and again, gsync helps smooth out dips from your target, but half the frame rate and you still notice, albeit not as glaringly as with vsync

E.g. I aim to run 120+, dips to 80-90 I dont notice, but dips to 60 I do, but not as annoying as running 120 and seeing it effectively doing 120-60-120-60

Your point is moot, because anything at half your reference point or less just looks bad full stop

Again Gsync limit is the 30hz, have you used or seen Freesync running at or below 30hz? I guess not so how can you say it will look bad?