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If the timelines were 'reset' back to the point where peter should have died in the lake, then it is possible that the reappearance of alt.Broiles is a result. Everything would have continued as normal from that time on, with walternate blaming walter for the death of his son, but without many of the events taking place due to there being no use for the machine that doesn't exist anyway because peter wasn't there to send it back in time to himself. So at this point, many of the events of the first 3 seasons, never happened. However, being within the machine should have protected peter from this timey wimey stuff though at the moment, he is a temporal anomaly, separated from his own reality, which is why he is bleeding through the veil so to speak.

It makes some sense in my head, but explaining the concept is near impossible.
 
Ceryndrion said:
If the timelines were 'reset' back to the point where peter should have died in the lake, then it is possible that the reappearance of alt.Broiles is a result. Everything would have continued as normal from that time on, with walternate blaming walter for the death of his son, but without many of the events taking place due to there being no use for the machine that doesn't exist anyway because peter wasn't there to send it back in time to himself. So at this point, many of the events of the first 3 seasons, never happened. However, being within the machine should have protected peter from this timey wimey stuff though at the moment, he is a temporal anomaly, separated from his own reality, which is why he is bleeding through the veil so to speak.

It makes some sense in my head, but explaining the concept is near impossible.
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It makes sense but who sent the machine back if Peter did not exist to send it?

Even if Peter isn't effected in our universe the machine must have come from somewhere. In Walters/Olivias etc eyes where did the machine come from?

I suppose this is irrelevant because I don't think they found out where the machine came from anyway? (Only Peter knew).
 
Antar Bolaeisk said:
The machine does exist, there's just no-one in it. Walter still traveled to the red universe, causing the destabilisation of that universe and the war.
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I wondered this too.

If Peter died how come the machine was built - or even exists?

So we know where the machine came from?
 
It's probably something like the existence of this time stream being contingent upon the existence of the previous time stream. I do think that the writers have written themselves into a corner on this one and, unless they have everything carefully planned out, I think their reasoning behind it all is going to be very weak.
 
Awesome episode, Though did any one else notice....



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That in i think what was 2nd meeting when they found Camron the blue glowy energy shaped it self like a face before it got dispelled at that point it had to be Peter..kind of made it obvious


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I just watched Episode 11 of Season 2 and Charlie Francis is alive ? I though he died back in episode 4 when the shiftier killed him and threw him into the incinerator?

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ak22 said:
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I just watched Episode 11 of Season 2 and Charlie Francis is alive ? I though he died back in episode 4 when the shiftier killed him and threw him into the incinerator?

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IIRC that episode was aired out-of-order. I don't recall why exactly - something to do with the subject matter of ep 11 being too similar to some real-world event I think.
 
Duff-Man said:
IIRC that episode was aired out-of-order. I don't recall why exactly - something to do with the subject matter of ep 11 being too similar to some real-world event I think.
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Thanks for the reply that was confusing lol its a shame they killed him off i like this character
 
ak22 said:
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I just watched Episode 11 of Season 2 and Charlie Francis is alive ? I though he died back in episode 4 when the shiftier killed him and threw him into the incinerator?

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It's a known issue, episodes were scheduled out of sequence.

EDIT: Beaten like a ginger step-child.
 
I watched season 1-3 of Fringe, then forgot about it. I thought season 1 was pretty good, 2 was better and 3 was excellent, i was very impressed by season 3.

WTF have they done with season 4, they have practically rewritten everything! I have just watched the first 7 episodes and they have undone all of the great things they did in the previous season!


I can't see this being resolved in a satisfactory way tbh.
 
I really don't know why I bother, its Abrams which means you MIGHT get a good first 2-3 series, then the show will randomly and for no reason turn everything on its head, rewrite everything that happened, make no sense, change everything from one episode to the next and become almost unwatchable.

The only other option is, he makes a show that is retarded to start with and goes downhill quickly. Persons of interest was almost watchable first ep, but VERY stupid in general, its gone downhill quickly and, the last 2-3 episodes have just been so entirely ridiculous, stupid, poorly down throughout and made no sense.


Alias, started off great, somewhat original, interesting, got more ridiculous and then series what 3 was it started to go downhill, series 4/5 were awful, and stupid and just classic retarded Abrams.

Lost, started off great, quickly got ridiculous, by series 3 it was such convoluted nonsense. Fringe going the same way.

My theory is he's a druggy, he manages 2-3 years clean and sober, then cracks, spends a year on heroine and absinthe, destroys a show, gets sober and starts a new series.
 
The thing which bugs me (Fringe has always done this really) is that it's just "monster of the week" with a couple of minutes of actual plot taped onto the end.

It didn't bug me so much previously but now I'm only watching 1 episode per week it's frustrating me how slowly the story arc is moving.
 
The biggest problem for me is that i can not see any way that they could resolve the current story lines without rendering everything that has happened so far this season completely meaningless.

Also, they are not just ignoring what has previously happened, they are literally pretending it never even happened!

I get exactly the same impression as i got with season 2 onwards of Heroes, they ahve no idea what they are going to do and are making it up on a weekly basis. It is such a shame as i really did think that season 3 was excellent.
 
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