Fuel price discussion thread (was ‘chaos’)

Seems okay round South Wales. All stations seemed to have fuel with nearly all of them having their premium petrol out, so had to put standard petrol in my Z4 :( :p

They did limit me to £30 though, which is just slightly under half a tank.

I drove from Bristol airport on half a tank on Friday with our family car; again could've stopped anywhere for fuel but as I don't need it, I didn't.

In normal times (i.e. working in the office) I need a tank a month, so now with both of us at home, half a tank can last a while.
 
Your post reads as written by someone who’s never driven an HGV tbh…

I find it odd that you deem cutting cabbages a skill yet being able to safely handle an articulated truck (which is a little more dangerous to the public I’d say) is not? :p

I haven't driven one but I'm our companies proxy 'transport manager' (ie: we're too small to need a proper one so I deal with all the requirements around our restricted operators licence).

But, you've misunderstood what I'm saying, I'm saying it's not classed as a 'Skilled Job' because the definition of that is one that requires A levels or equivalent (it used to be degree or above), not that it doesn't require any skill, of course it does, just like cutting cabbages does but that's never going to be classed as a skilled job either :p

The “skill” is sweet FA to do with obtaining the license it’s acquired through years of experience, the government are rushing new license holders through the system but there’s already a huge proportion of new passes who quickly realise they can’t do the job and quickly Jack it in, as I’ve said before, obtaining the license does not make you a professional driver, far from it.

I don't disagree with that and that's the same for any job, that experience will improve your skills, but the short period of time to obtain the means to be able to do the job does have to be taken into account when comparing to other jobs that can take years of training to get the qualification!

Many new passes do not go onto a career in the industry, simply because they realise they are not cut out for it, just as many car license holders can’t drive for **** it’s the same for LGV category holders, and that’s before they realise that to get the higher wages banded about they have to work 60-70+ hour weeks, unsocial hours, are generally treated like crap by both delivery points and other road users and appreciate that they are governed by a somewhat draconian enforcement regime that is out to get you at every opportunity.

I understand and acknowledged that in my post, though I would say there are many other jobs with worse working conditions.

The training to get your HGV/LGV is expensive, as is the periodic (and arguably pointless) training required to keep it.

The CPC isn't that onerus, what is it 35 hours every 5 years? Plenty of careers require CPD or registration with a body. It is pretty expensive for the HGV license (but so is education if you go back and get new qualifications as an adult) which is why my business has subsidised the training for a few of our staff over the years and I know all about the 70 hour weeks, my business partner who has his class 1 was doing that from July last year since our hospitality company was completely shut down through lockdown, but he volunteered for that, he seemed to quite like tramping for the week!

He's going back in November too, since we're shut down for the winter now.
 
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I've been out of the country for the last week so missed most of the "chaos", went to fill up today as was on 20 or so miles range. Found a place with what turned out to be a 15min queue. Was gobsmacked at the amount of people just topping up. Average spend must have been £25 or so. Beggars belief that folk don't just wait until near empty and make one trip given what's going on.
 
I've been out of the country for the last week so missed most of the "chaos", went to fill up today as was on 20 or so miles range. Found a place with what turned out to be a 15min queue. Was gobsmacked at the amount of people just topping up. Average spend must have been £25 or so. Beggars belief that folk don't just wait until near empty and make one trip given what's going on.
Maybe they were just putting in what they needed rather than briming it?
 
I've been out of the country for the last week so missed most of the "chaos", went to fill up today as was on 20 or so miles range. Found a place with what turned out to be a 15min queue. Was gobsmacked at the amount of people just topping up. Average spend must have been £25 or so. Beggars belief that folk don't just wait until near empty and make one trip given what's going on.

Why does it beggar belief with what is going on? Who knows when the next fuel.shortage will occur, keeping topped up makes more sense than running it down to fumes atm.
 
I've been out of the country for the last week so missed most of the "chaos", went to fill up today as was on 20 or so miles range. Found a place with what turned out to be a 15min queue. Was gobsmacked at the amount of people just topping up. Average spend must have been £25 or so. Beggars belief that folk don't just wait until near empty and make one trip given what's going on.

25quid is 3/4 of a tank for me.
 
I was filling up my smax today from near empty and I got to £38 and the pump was cut. I went in and asked the guy if that was the last of it... No. "I cut it sir as there are other people that need too".
So now I have under half a tank and have to become part of the problem driving around again later in the week when I run out again. I don't get capping it. Seems to be making it worse. Just let people brim it and stay off the forecourts for a while.
 
The problem with defining a job as skilled or unskilled is its just an arbitrary definition with no formal ranking.
There are practically no jobs that need no skills. H&S, food safety etc have pretty much changed that in roles you could historically argue had no remarkable skills, say a sandwich maker, they now need to food hygiene training so they are above the average person in this regard.

Cutting cabbages has skills, being able to do it quickly and "safely" (defining safely as not removing ones own digits) are the skills. They are pretty darn specific and pretty darn narrow.
Compare to many professions
When comparing many of the "unskilled" jobs to "skilled jobs" what people are really measuring is breadth of skills, amount of detailed knowledge, transferability of skills etc
Jobs that were historically deemed skilled would often have significant study time to learn the "trade", would have quite a few skills involved in being able to fullfil that role, and that many of the skills would be easily transferrable to similar but unrelated jobs

Going back to our cabbage cutter, the study time is insignificant, the breadth of skills is narrow, the transferability is low. This is very clearly a low skilled job
Driving an HGV, requires some, but less knowledge than say an electrician in study, has a fairly narrow set of skills both physically and from a road knowledge perspective only a little higher than a normal driver, and some but not great transferable skills, most would only relate to other similar "driving" jobs
Take an engineer, high levels of formal training, a relatively narrow set of skills in the field even though they are very complicated, with some skills outside the core in order to be able to do the job well, such as negotiation and presentation skills etc, as far as transferability, again quite high to similar jobs on the technical side, but also quite dissimilar jobs on the softer skills, the negotiation, presentation etc.

One example of a methodology of ranking jobs is the Hay rating. Its still somewhat arbitrary in ways, but at least its formalised so roles compared that have broadly the same rating have broadly a similar mixture of factors.
11. The three elements, Know-How, Problem Solving and Accountability are broken down into the following sub-elements. ! KNOW-HOW - Depth and Breadth of Technical Know-How - Planning, Organising and Controlling - Communication / Influencing ! PROBLEM SOLVING - Thinking Environment - Thinking Challenge ! ACCOUNTABILITY - Freedom to Act - Area and Nature of impact. 12. Each job is measured against these three elements. A numerical score for each is calculated against standard charts provided by the Hay Group. There are two additional elements measured which may be present in some, but not all, jobs. These are: ! PHYSICAL EFFORT - This measures the additional effort or strength involved in performing the job which would be in excess of that expected in a day-to-day office environment. ! WORKING ENVIRONMENT - This measures any uncomfortable working conditions, which would be in excess of that expected in a day-to-day office environment.
 
Caved in and filled up with a round 75miles left inatead of waiting for the light to go on, because there was almost no queue at Tesco after my shopping, Momentum was at its usual price, and i would have needes to fill up tomorroq anyway after a day trip.
Well managed.
Not been too bad around Winchester last few days.
 
I've been out of the country for the last week so missed most of the "chaos", went to fill up today as was on 20 or so miles range. Found a place with what turned out to be a 15min queue. Was gobsmacked at the amount of people just topping up. Average spend must have been £25 or so. Beggars belief that folk don't just wait until near empty and make one trip given what's going on.

Many are limiting it to £30 now.
 
I've avoided all of the panic buying, but now I'm down to ~30 miles range and could I find a petrol station near me with any fuel? Could I ********!!!

I tried 4 petrol stations on Monday night...all empty. 6 petrol stations in 3 towns last night...all empty.
 
I've avoided all of the panic buying, but now I'm down to ~30 miles range and could I find a petrol station near me with any fuel? Could I ********!!!

I tried 4 petrol stations on Monday night...all empty. 6 petrol stations in 3 towns last night...all empty.
I normally run to the fuel light but to be honest, with the situation as it is I won't be letting my tank drop below 1/4 on the gauge (probably about 1/5 in terms of range).

I managed to fill up for my trip without any drama or queue at my local Tesco superstore BUT only 4 of 12 pumps were working and each one only dispensing a single fuel. If just half a dozen cars turned up and ended up in the wrong lanes (there were no signs, just out of service tags on the handles) it would have been chaos.

I'm not sure what I'll find fuel wise when I get there so I wanted to be prepared for getting out and back on a singe tank which is pushing the range of my car so I did something I never do which is to brim it right to the filler neck. I had to keep checking it wasn't running out the bottom somewhere as it just seemed to keep going in :confused: got nearly another £4 in! That extra 35 miles of range though makes an out and back run a bit more realistic.
 
I am pretty sure I can last until the weekend, where i do the most miles...if I do, come next Monday I will probably get the lights. It's 3/8 full tank at the moment, might break my routine and fill up this Friday.
 
I was filling up my smax today from near empty and I got to £38 and the pump was cut. I went in and asked the guy if that was the last of it... No. "I cut it sir as there are other people that need too".
So now I have under half a tank and have to become part of the problem driving around again later in the week when I run out again. I don't get capping it. Seems to be making it worse. Just let people brim it and stay off the forecourts for a while.

Should be a £30 minimum charge instead would solve all the problems.
 
Should be a £30 minimum charge instead would solve all the problems.

Nonsense. :rolleyes:

Say I need to travel to see family next weekend, it's 350 miles. I've got 300 in the tank. I can't fit £30 in. ~£15 will fill the tank giving me enough range for the journey.

Also, motorbikes.
 
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