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serious question or just unfamiliar with driving?Fuel price discussion thread (was ‘chaos’)
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serious question or just unfamiliar with driving?Hang on... so you condemn 'topping up' before starting a journey at normal fuel prices but suggest that is exactly what you do mid journey, at a hefty premium, simply to arrive at your destination with no fuel so you have to fill up again?!
Sounds a weird way of going about things but whatever suits you I guess!
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Did i condemn anything? You might want to rethink that. And if you think a service station prices would make any meaningful difference to <10 litres of fuel, you're having a laugh.
No, i didnt condemn filling up before the journal AT ALL. anywhere. But this idea that you have to fill up or you'll run out of fuel on a journey that'll take at minimum 4 hours when you should be taking a break anyway is absolutely nonsense.
Some people :/
I'll rephrase
Hang on... so you suggest in the context of your reply that it is abnormal to fill up before starting a journey at normal fuel prices but suggest that is exactly what you do mid journey, at a hefty premium, simply to arrive at your destination with no fuel so you have to fill up again?!
Sounds a weird way of going about things but whatever suits you I guess!
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Again, no. I didnt say fill up. learn to read.I'll rephrase
Hang on... so you suggest in the context of your reply that it is abnormal to fill up before starting a journey at normal fuel prices but suggest that is exactly what you do mid journey, at a hefty premium, simply to arrive at your destination with no fuel so you have to fill up again?!
Sounds a weird way of going about things but whatever suits you I guess!
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Nonsense.
Say I need to travel to see family next weekend, it's 350 miles. I've got 300 in the tank. I can't fit £30 in. ~£15 will fill the tank giving me enough range for the journey.
Also, motorbikes.
Also most people outside OCuk don't drive gas guzzling SUV'or V8's. Any small "city" car you'll struggle to get much more than £30 in from empty
You're not comparing cabbage cutters to HGV drivers in any meaningful way surely...
I'm terribly sorry...
Hang on... so you suggest in the context of your reply that it is abnormal to
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Why is it better to put 20 quid in at a services than before you set off?
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Nominate james.miller for name change
"2 trips to the pump miller"?
"I didn't say fill up miller"?
"more expensive E10 petrol is better E10 petrol miller"
"2 trips to the pump miller"?
"I didn't say fill up miller"?
"more expensive E10 petrol is better E10 petrol miller"
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I think you need to go back and read again. I'm serious this time. It's not my hypothetical journey and it's not my hypothetical £30 minimum spend. If that minimum spend was introduced (which i don't agree with), you arent going to run out of fuel just because you cant fill up your tank at the start of a 400 mile journey if you've already got 350 miles of fuel in it. That was my point - there would be ample opportunities to put the rest in. The cost difference would be insignificant and you should be stopping anyway so..?
It's not. Didnt say it was. pretend £30 minimum spend remember.
Another one who can't read.
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Ha OK! I've got an actual 260 mile trip and came across an actual £20 cap at a local petrol station (I ended up filling up elsewhere but whatever...). So by using your logic that is totally fine, because I'll simply fill up on the journey. That £20 should be enough to get me on the M62 which even in normal times is way more expensive than my usual garages, or the garages local to my destination. Or to put it another way, enough that my work miles go from teetering either side of break even well into 'costing me pence per mile' category.
You have answered the question I've been wondering all these years which was... who fills, sorry... tops up at Motorway services?! I always thought the answer was those putting fuel on company expenses or fuel cards but it appears I was wrong!
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I can't speak for anyone else, but my concern over this situation (haven't bought any petrol since the start of this) is simple range anxiety. I have a little less than half a tank which is a couple of hundred miles but I won't take on any journey anywhere near that length because I simply do not know if I can fill up again. The whole basis of driving a car is rooted in faith that the tank can be added to whenever necessary with ease. We have expected stations to be open and to have fuel. In the SE right now, that faith simply isn't justified. The current new normal is either a giant queue or zero fuel. There is no middle ground. And the zero fuel option is the vast majority around here. So much for the whole "only 20% are out".
In fairness he isn’t (although that’s how I read it initially) see his reply to me in post #1002
Absolutely.
I imagine that's what driving an EV (bar Tesla) might feel like if you often travel long distance to places you are unfamiliar with. You should be fine with refuelling but then again you may hit a long wait or an out of service charger. Unlike an EV though we can't plug in at home to at least start the day with a known range.
And in a pinch you can literally plug in your BEV to almost any 3-pin outlet, even if it is slow you can at least add range, something impossible with most ICE cars
Yep. This literally is the "crisis" in a nutshell. When the faith in the system is lost, it completely breaks down. Right now there is no faith that you can just get some when you are about to run out which completely changes everything.
Yeah but how viable is that really? Beyond Top Gear and Carwow videos where they run the things out of juice on purpose has anyone got any experience of rocking up to a private house or business, plug in hand, asking for a bit of charge? Also aren't you talking an hours wait for just 8 miles or something?!
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That's a different problem. If that £20 cap was everywhere you'd have to top up again, elsewhere, regardless. It would be up to you whether you find another garage to top up at before the journey or do it during the journey. That doesnt apply to this minimum spend scenario where the minimum spend would prevent you from topping up at all before the journey because that £30 quid wouldnt fit in your tank. So in this one pretend situation yeah, i'd put a few quid in at a service station where i'd planned to stop anyway and get on with life. 'my logic' as you call it, applies to that pretend situation only. I don't apply it to everyday life and you shouldn't try to for me, either.
That's one thing service stations have going for them. They go through a lot of fuel. If they didnt have regular deliveries they'd be almost permanently shut. some of the bigger service stations go through a tanker of diesel a day. 36k litres, diesel alone. I'm fairly sure they would be prioritised over local garages as the alternative would be disastrous ...
Got you, sorry, brain fog meant that despite you clearly stating minimum £30 spend I read it as maximum £30 spend
As you stated the idea is a pretty daft one which is probably why it hasn't been applied anywhere that I'm aware of.
I've used my 3-pin a good few times, when away from home, non were strictly 100% needed, but saved me having to rely on public chargers on return trips from places, I've used commando sockets on camp sites, an exterior socket in a pub car park (with permission), charged at a few families and friends houses who obviously don't have EV Type-2 chargers yet. Obviously if you are charging at 10A, (2.3kW before losses) then you don't get a huge of amount of energy, but if you are sat parked for a a few hours it all adds up, and it comes down to efficiency too, my car easily hits 5mpkWh so three or four hours is 34-46 miles added. The highlight being you can't add any miles to a petrol car if you can't get any petrol, regardless of how long you sit and wait, unless a new delivery arrives..