Fuji X Series

CGrieves · 15 Nov 2017 at 17:08

I fell out of love with zooms as soon as I started out with Fuji and discovered their primes.... Consider giving them a go.

Drollic · 15 Nov 2017 at 17:13

Only the extra weight and maybe in very limited cases the lack of ois I see as the negatives. 2.8 all the way through to 55 plus the extra few mm wide and improved image quality seem worth it.

I'd probably opt for the 55-200 after that, bearing in mind I'm used to the Sony 55-210 which at anything over around 150mm is pretty bad.

Edit, tried the 56mm 1.2 and whilst amazing, it would be 3rd or 4th on my list simply as I hate the hassle of swapping lenses out whilst on a trip or traveling.

ethan · 19 Nov 2017 at 01:31

Raymond Lin said:
Not sure if Google really is watching but since popping into this thread last 24hrs, these 2 videos popped up in my recommended videos to watch on YouTube, strangely both were uploaded on the same day.

The bit where the guy had to resort to his 6D to finish the job…

I weren't going to ditch my Canon system for Fuji anyway…reliability really is everything! Keeping my X-T1 for "fun" though.

With regards to the last video the guy had his camera back and repaired within six days and was charged nothing. Fingers crossed for him. I noticed Dylan Goldby on Fujilove claimed he has been able to shoot 300,000 images on his X-t2's without incident this year and that "they are holding up quite well".

CGrieves · 28 Nov 2017 at 14:57

Just had a play with a friend's X-E3. Didn't realise that it has the same AF as the X-T2, and was quite impressed. Still not quite top-end DSLR in terms of tracking accuracy, but very good- in a 20 shot 8 fps string of a randomly moving target, there were only 1 or 2 not perfectly focused . Also extremely compact and cute with the 27mm/2.8 fitted..

Tempted.

grumpybeard · 30 Nov 2017 at 11:59

Seriously considering the X-E3 as well. Been waiting for the Sony RX100 M6, no sign of it yet, and need a good quality camera for our wedding and honeymoon in the carribean in Feb.

Aware the X-E3 plus 18-55 will still be larger than the RX100, but still make for a really nice travel camera?

Drollic · 30 Nov 2017 at 12:37

grumpybeard said:
Seriously considering the X-E3 as well. Been waiting for the Sony RX100 M6, no sign of it yet, and need a good quality camera for our wedding and honeymoon in the carribean in Feb.

Aware the X-E3 plus 18-55 will still be larger than the RX100, but still make for a really nice travel camera?

It's in a different league, but you sacrifice weight and size. The rx100 is more for those that must have something pocketable, or who use it as a second, or even 3rd camera.

grumpybeard · 30 Nov 2017 at 13:00

Thanks. Any recommendations on case or smallest bag for X-E3 for body plus lens (18-55) protection but easy access during hikes etc?

CGrieves · 30 Nov 2017 at 13:18

grumpybeard said:
Thanks. Any recommendations on case or smallest bag for X-E3 for body plus lens (18-55) protection but easy access during hikes etc?

The X-E3 is physically smaller than the X-E2 (which was identical to the X-E1), so not sure there's any aftermarket cases yet, but if not it won't be long. Fuji will do one but it'll be £100 or so.

Bag-wise I use a Tenba DNA13, best bag I've ever used, and comes in multiple sizes. The 13 works fine for my X-E2, X-E1, three primes and wallet, kindle etc, but there's masses of choice out there when it comes to bags.

I use an aluminium tripod frame+grip on my XE-1/2 and would want to do the same for the 3 if got one. Sacrifices a bit of compactness, but much easier to handle with one of the medium/large primes attached.

CGrieves · 2 Dec 2017 at 12:06

Fujirumours reports the next camera will be the X-H1 due to some references in firmware. Likely to be the first Fuji IBIS variant...

Richdog · 2 Dec 2017 at 13:38

Well, just finished processing my photos from last year and it is so evidence that even with a 23mm f1.4, the crop sensor on the X-T2 is a damn sight worse than my old D750 in dimly lit rooms. I know that may sound obvious, but until I had processed all of the photos and seen the many different scenarios it then really hit home and has now made me really hanker for full frame again. The extra weight of the lenss is worth it when ultimately it's the quality that is king. I will use the Fuji again this year with a Godox 685F so that will improve things (although it's so much more distracting for people), but for next year I will definitely be going full frame for best natural light performance.

CGrieves said:
Fujirumours reports the next camera will be the X-H1 due to some references in firmware. Likely to be the first Fuji IBIS variant...

Yeah pretty old news, was previously the X-T2S.

PS: Please link to any article you reference.

Raymond Lin · 2 Dec 2017 at 13:50

I hope they put in GPS too, I mean how cool is this.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 3 Dec 2017 at 20:29

Richdog said:
Well, just finished processing my photos from last year and it is so evidence that even with a 23mm f1.4, the crop sensor on the X-T2 is a damn sight worse than my old D750 in dimly lit rooms. I know that may sound obvious, but until I had processed all of the photos and seen the many different scenarios it then really hit home and has now made me really hanker for full frame again. The extra weight of the lenss is worth it when ultimately it's the quality that is king. I will use the Fuji again this year with a Godox 685F so that will improve things (although it's so much more distracting for people), but for next year I will definitely be going full frame for best natural light performance.

Yeah pretty old news, was previously the X-T2S.

PS: Please link to any article you reference.

I have a D600 and a XT10 and the D600 does have noticeably better DR,and in low light it is better,but the OIS on the Fuji lenses is pretty awesome,and that is me comparing a D600 with a 35MM/F1.8 and the bog standard kit lens on the XT10.

Richdog · 4 Dec 2017 at 05:57

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I have a D600 and a XT10 and the D600 does have noticeably better DR,and in low light it is better,but the OIS on the Fuji lenses is pretty awesome,and that is me comparing a D600 with a 35MM/F1.8 and the bog standard kit lens on the XT10.

Yeah the OIS is awesome but it's at ISO 6400 where things start to get messy and the loss in detail is very noticeable. My D750 was still lovely at that point.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 4 Dec 2017 at 10:36

Richdog said:
Yeah the OIS is awesome but it's at ISO 6400 where things start to get messy and the loss in detail is very noticeable. My D750 was still lovely at that point.

The D600 has the same sensor so it is definitely better at that point,but also in comparison my mates D3300 is worse at high ISO than than the XT10 I have.

Richdog · 4 Dec 2017 at 11:48

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The D600 has the same sensor so it is definitely better at that point,but also in comparison my mates D3300 is worse at high ISO than than the XT10 I have.

The D3300 has a crop sensor, so no surprise it's at best a good, or not as good even, as the more advanced Fuji.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 4 Dec 2017 at 11:58

Richdog said:
The D3300 has a crop sensor, so no surprise it's at best a good, or not as good even, as the more advanced Fuji.

The X-Trans 16MP sensor is not new - its basically the first X-Trans APS-C sensor they did. The 16MP and 24MP Fuji sensors are amongst the better APS-C sensors you get out there,and the 24MP sensor in the D600/D610/D750 is one of the best 35MM frame sensors ever made for DR and even low light.

I also found at least with the XT10 the standard tone curve for jpegs is quite steep,so I do find the camera can blow highlights more than it should.

This is why for anything really important I would still use the D600 even though its much heavier and larger in comparison.

Richdog · 4 Dec 2017 at 13:00

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The X-Trans 16MP sensor is not new - its basically the first X-Trans APS-C sensor they did. The 16MP and 24MP Fuji sensors are amongst the better APS-C sensors you get out there,and the 24MP sensor in the D600/D610/D750 is one of the best 35MM frame sensors ever made for DR and even low light.

I also found at least with the XT10 the standard tone curve for jpegs is quite steep,so I do find the camera can blow highlights more than it should.

This is why for anything really important I would still use the D600 even though its much heavier and larger in comparison.

Your post is very confusing to read but I didn't anywhere say X-trans was new, I said it (in your X-T10) was more advanced than the standard bayer crop sensor in the D3300, which technically it is.

And yes I know the Nikon D750 sensor is better than the Fuji X-T2, I said exactly that above.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 4 Dec 2017 at 13:19

Richdog said:
Your post is very confusing to read but I didn't anywhere say X-trans was new, I said it (in your X-T10) was more advanced than the standard bayer crop sensor in the D3300, which technically it is.

And yes I know the Nikon D750 sensor is better than the Fuji X-T2, I said exactly that above.

Look at cameras like the D3400,something like an XT20 is still better at higher ISOs in terms of detail:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d3400-review/3

Use the drop down box and try the D3400 and D5600 which are the latest Nikon midrange dSLRs and compare it to the XT20,and its even competitive with the D7500 which uses the best APS-C sensor Nikon has out. Its as much to do with how Fuji handles its processing in jpegs and RAW.

In the end you are probably expecting way too much at ISO6400 from an APS-C sensor. At lot of APS-C cameras struggle at that kind of ISO and the Fuji cameras are actually surprising good at higher ISOs,especially when the photo-detector area is significantly larger on a 24MP 35MM frame sensor,and when the lenses are simply letting more light in. In the end if you are doing a lot of low light photography or wider DR stuff,35MM frame sensors will usually have the edge.

I mean also the battery life on the D600 is much better too,and I have to keep at least two batteries with the Fuji when I go anywhere.

But the fact of the matter is 35MM frame cameras are heavy and something like my XT10 is so light its much less intrusive to lug about, and definitely easier to hide away than a massive camera. So in that sense,sure my D600 is better,but again if I CBA lugging it about everywhere its not really helpful.

Richdog · 4 Dec 2017 at 13:37

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Look at cameras like the D3400,something like an XT20 is still better at higher ISOs in terms of detail:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d3400-review/3

Use the drop down box and try the D3400 and D5600 which are the latest Nikon midrange dSLRs and compare it to the XT20,and its even competitive with the D7500 which uses the best APS-C sensor Nikon has out. Its as much to do with how Fuji handles its processing in jpegs and RAW.

In the end you are probably expecting way too much at ISO6400 from an APS-C sensor. At lot of APS-C cameras struggle at that kind of ISO and the Fuji cameras are actually surprising good at higher ISOs,especially when the photo-detector area is significantly larger on a 24MP 35MM frame sensor,and when the lenses are simply letting more light in. In the end if you are doing a lot of low light photography or wider DR stuff,35MM frame sensors will usually have the edge.

I mean also the battery life on the D600 is much better too,and I have to keep at least two batteries with the Fuji when I go anywhere.

But the fact of the matter is 35MM frame cameras are heavy and something like my XT10 is so light its much less intrusive to lug about, and definitely easier to hide away than a massive camera. So in that sense,sure my D600 is better,but again if I CBA lugging it about everywhere its not really helpful.

I think you are getting yourself completely confused... I was not even initially comparing Fuji and Nikon crop sensors, only you did that, and I also do not expect any magic from a crop sensor at ISo 6400, what I said was the recent photo processing I did highlighted how big the difference was when I compared the Christmas photos directly year vs year.

You are reading way more into my post than I actually wrote, to a rather baffling degree.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 4 Dec 2017 at 13:55

Richdog said:
I think you are getting yourself completely confused... I was not even initially comparing Fuji and Nikon crop sensors, only you did that, and I also do not expect any magic from a crop sensor at ISo 6400, what I said was the recent photo processing I did highlighted how big the difference was when I compared the Christmas photos directly year vs year.

You are reading way more into my post than I actually wrote, to a rather baffling degree.

I tested both my D600 and XT10 together when I got my XT10 last year,so I am baffled you seem that surprised at the difference?? For one thing in jpegs I immediately noticed the steeper tone curves of the Fuji jpegs even compared to mates who had some equivalent Nikon dSLRs.

The same goes with the noise in shadows,etc compared to the D600,but its better than equivalent Nikon APS-C cameras mates at time. OIS on the stock lens is better than my mates had using similar lenses(at the time),so it meant in low light I got better results than similar APS-C cameras.

In the end I am only an amateur and take pics for fun,but I still need to know the limits of my equipment before go somewhere,so I take what is relevant.

I get the impression you invest much more time into all of this than me and spend a whole lot more money,so are a bit shocked you didn't first trial the equipment side by side when you got it to see what the strengths and limitations are.

I primarily use my XT10 if I am going to take snapshots and are walking around a lot on a non-photographic trip with friends and family. OTH,if I am going out to actually expend some effort taking pictures,I will always take the D600,as I know the sensor is more dependable.

Plus why I mention the sensor comparisons,is because even if you have a very good APS-C sensor,a very good 35MM frame sensor will be better in low light and situations which require wide DR(assuming similar technical levels).