Fury X Vs Titan X - Performance compared

humbug · 6 Jul 2015 at 01:17

How would the Monitor image output effect the render output?

I have a 1080P screen, if i use VSR to run 3200x1800P the difference in Image quality i see on screen is significant, its brighter, deeper, sharper.... thats because its rendering 1.8x the pixel density, if you stretch that image out to a display 1.8 times the size and sit at the same distance it will look like 1080P again.

You might be onto something if Greg is using a capture device as that is connected to the cards screen output (i think he is) but recording on the fly encoding locally would not make any difference.

Having said that they are both on capture cards, one way or the other the Nvidia picture quality (nothing to do with graphics rendering) is, allow me to put it bluntly, crap!

Mei · 6 Jul 2015 at 01:18

i see a lot more jaggies but the color seems pretty ok

Kaapstad · 6 Jul 2015 at 01:20

humbug said:
How would the Monitor image output effect the render output?

I have a 1080P screen, if i use VSR to run 3200x1800P the difference in Image quality i see on screen is significant, its brighter, deeper, sharper.... thats because its rendering 1.8x the pixel density, if you stretch that image out to a display 1.8 times the size and sit at the same distance it will look like 1080P again.

You might be onto something if Greg is using a capture device as that is connected to the cards screen output (i think he is) but recording on the fly encoding locally would not make any difference.

Having said that they are both on capture cards, one way or the other the Nvidia picture quality (nothing to do with graphics rendering) is, allow me to put it bluntly, crap!

Making videos I know nothing about !!!

If I run my monitor at anything but it's native resolution it looks terrible. :eek:

Mei · 6 Jul 2015 at 01:24

i dnt think u can compare vsr to it rly humbug
if u display a non native image like 1080p on a 4k it can look pretty bad
and maybe it just makes windows/drivers do something crazy to the colors i duno

humbug · 6 Jul 2015 at 01:27

Actually it depends on how good the 1080P screen is, mine has pretty good pixel density. ^^^

Kaapstad said:
Making videos I know nothing about !!!

If I run my monitor at anything but it's native resolution it looks terrible.

Yeah it will, i played Dirt 3 with maxed out QI at 3200x1800P for a couple of week to complete it, since then i have been messing about with ASF to see if it worked as Dirt3 is one of those games that runs at one hundred and silly FPS at any 1080P setting, and i was thinking just the same thing after being used to it at 1800P "#### this looks like ####"

Now having VSR is the worst thing ever in that regard, because i don't have the muscle to run everything at 1800P i'm constantly looking at most of my games now thinking "i know this can look so much better, if only i had the GPU grunt"

shankly1985 · 6 Jul 2015 at 01:55

So we saying here AMD downscale images better?

titaniumx3 · 6 Jul 2015 at 02:38

The grey/cloudy blacks seen on the TitanX are most likely due to the dynamic range setting in the NVCP being set to 'Limited' when it should be full. This happens on my 980Ti, hooked up to a Dell U2515h. Some resolutions below my native res of 1440p are detected as HDTV resolution (you'll see in the change resolution page of the NVCP) and for these resolution the default dynamic range setting is limited; 1080p is one of those resolutions. You can easily change it to the 'Full' setting and it will make all other HDTV resolutions stay at full. This should resolve the poor contrast you're seeing.

Nothing to do with poor upscaling/downscaling or whatever crazy theories people on these threads are coming up with. :rolleyes:

Dave2150 · 6 Jul 2015 at 02:40

I prefer the superior image quality of the FuryX to the TitanX.

shankly1985 · 6 Jul 2015 at 02:43

titaniumx3 said:
The grey/cloudy blacks seen on the TitanX are most likely due to the dynamic range setting in the NVCP being set to 'Limited' when it should be full. This happens on my 980Ti, hooked up to a Dell U2515h. Some resolutions below my native res of 1440p are detected as HDTV resolution (you'll see in the change resolution page of the NVCP) and for these resolution the default dynamic range setting is limited; 1080p is one of those resolutions. You can easily change it to the 'Full' setting and it will make all other HDTV resolutions stay at full. This should resolve the poor contrast you're seeing.

Nothing to do with poor upscaling/downscaling or whatever crazy theories people on these threads are coming up with.

But by default if Greg not changed it.. The AMD GPU will be running even worst than RGB Limited and be running ycbcr444... So your theory could very well be wrong.

titaniumx3 · 6 Jul 2015 at 03:00

shankly1985 said:
But by default if Greg not changed it.. The AMA GPU will be running even worst than RGB Limited and be running ycbcr444... So your theory could very well be wrong.

I am assuming both cards are outputting RGB as this is what it should be set to. Not sure why you would set it to anything different for a standard gaming setup. Either way, on Nvidia cards at least, the dynamic range setting should be set to 'Full'.

I'm suprised someone who went to all the trouble of making these videos didn't realise this in the first place. It's pretty obvious something is not right. Soon as I first encountered this limited dynamic range issue, I knew there was a problem. Does not make sense why Nvidia (or AMD for that matter) would want to spoil image quality like that. For an increase in FPS? Surely there are better, more discrete ways of doing that. No, the reason in this case is that the card detects the resolution being used (1080p in this case) as being a HDTV res and sets the dynamic range to 'Limited', since this is the type of signal that HDTVs expect (from bluray players, etc). If there is a issue here, its a flaw in the way the card detects the monitor resolutions. It should realise that the monitor is not a HDTV, irrespective of resolution and set dynamic range to 'Full' by default.

In all fairness, Gregster should redo his videos after sorting out these problems. You'd think think that people would apply a little common sense and realise that no one in their right mind would pay out £800 of their money and then accept the output produced by the nvidia card in his videos, without seeking to find a resolution to the problem or at least ask for their money back ... oh wait.

shankly1985 · 6 Jul 2015 at 03:40

Greg can you confirm what output both GPUs are running at? RGB limited or Full range..

Gregster · 6 Jul 2015 at 05:49

Guys guys guys, don't get so hooked onto the colour settings please. The image looks just as good when playing on each other but for some reason, the recording has the colours much brighter (too bright) on the TX. I did these in a batch and didn't fancy doing them all again so just went with it.

pgi947 · 6 Jul 2015 at 07:29

The straw clutching in here is comical, keep it up guys.

Sod logic, let's work from warped presumption then go round in circles for 200 or so comments.

oldestgregg · 6 Jul 2015 at 07:56

pgi947 said:
The straw clutching in here is comical, keep it up guys.

Sod logic, let's work from warped presumption then go round in circles for 200 or so comments.

This whole things getting some laughs from basically anyone who isn't involved in this thread.

What really needs to happen is Greg now has to make a video on every card released in the last 5 years and do that again on every SSD ever made and finally test all of them again using a whole range of cables... you hear that Greg?

Give him a break man. He's doing it for fun so to say he must know this or he should be doing that is a bit harsh. The blokes put in a lot of time pandering to this tin foil hat nonsense.

Nice work though Greg. Really enjoying the videos

OLDPHART · 6 Jul 2015 at 08:00

Nice work Gregster.

Gregster · 6 Jul 2015 at 08:07

I have done so much exhaustive testing to try and show everyone what each game and GPU performs at, it is a lot of work. But it is a passion that I enjoy doing but seeing people clutching at colour settings and ignoring the purpose of why I was doing this makes me sad.

uksoldierboy · 6 Jul 2015 at 08:09

Don't be put off bud, it's fantastic work you've done

Now tell me the settings you used in Witcher 3! lol.

old gamer · 6 Jul 2015 at 08:18

used both amd and nvidia recently and did not notice much difference, if i was nit picking i would say the nvidia was slightly better in dark indoor areas and amd was slightly better in bright outdoor areas, but nothing in it to get wound up about

Gregster · 6 Jul 2015 at 08:31

uksoldierboy said:
Don't be put off bud, it's fantastic work you've done

Now tell me the settings you used in Witcher 3! lol.

Everything maxed at 1080P bud, including Hairworks. Performance was good as well but not exactly stutter free on either setup.

old gamer said:
used both amd and nvidia recently and did not notice much difference, if i was nit picking i would say the nvidia was slightly better in dark indoor areas and amd was slightly better in bright outdoor areas, but nothing in it to get wound up about

This is exactly how I see it as well. I tend to drop the brightness quite a chunk on Nvidia but not so much on AMD.

siriq111 · 6 Jul 2015 at 11:56

I only watched the first two videos but Fury X is stutters a lot. Not a smooth experience at all.