G-Sync is a con?

humbug · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:02

triss said:
The thread doesnt show Gsync working on a desktop with a desktop gpu it shows a Mobile gsync

I know that, i think it will with the standardised DP, i don't care about what Nvidia say, thats the whole point of this debate, i don't believe their ~~~~

their PR say a lot of things that are untrue.

Mei · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:04

MOOGLEYS said:
I have only had that a couple of times, mainly on benchmark loading screens. It happens so quick it's not that bad tbh. I was playing dying light for a good 3 hours last night and it did not happen once even at low fps.

wow ok
my bad i should know better than listen to pcper

or maybe you have something tweaked they didnt

humbug · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:10

MOOGLEYS said:
The module is only necessary if the display is not connected with eDP. The G751 uses eDP hence why you can use G-Sync.

eDP V1.4 supports frame time synchronisation through the data channel which is what makes this possible. This is pretty much what the Nvidia G-Sync module adds to a regular display port signal.

If desktop monitors start using eDP V1.4 then there will be no need for a separate G-Sync module although if it uses the G-Sync name Nvidia will charge a premium for it.

I would have to double check but i'm pretty sure it's 1.2A or whatever this one is that is coming soon.

It's how AMD are able to support that synchronisation.

Martini1991 · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:12

humbug said:
IMO just where they can't fit the Module, like Laptop's, with the VESA Standard i don't think the Module is necessary.

Because it's not necessary, because it's not using g sync as we know it, but rather AS?

humbug · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:13

Martini1991 said:
Because it's not necessary, because it's not using g sync as we know it, but rather AS?

I think it's the same thing under a different name.

Gregster · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:13

humbug said:
I know that, i think it will with the standardised DP, i don't care about what Nvidia say, thats the whole point of this debate, i don't believe their ~~~~ their PR say a lot of things that are untrue.

Are you being serious? If so, you have hit a new low.

Martini1991 · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:16

humbug said:
I think it's the same thing under a different name.

You think that g sync is just a sync?

humbug · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:16

Yes ^^^

Gregster said:
Are you being serious? If so, you have hit a new low.

Again, stick to the topic Greg, don't get personal.

Martini1991 · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:19

You're free to think what you want, but my opinion is that your thinking derives from a hate of anything none AMD.
And so, you ultimately think AMD is king automatically and will essentially hate on anything Nvidia.

They do the same thing, that doesn't make them the same.

Mei · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:21

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if u guys manage to go a day without fighting u get cupcakes

humbug · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:25

Mei said:
im thinking of offering a cupcake service
if u guys manage to go a day without fighting u get cupcakes

It's not possible to have a debate on this forum without someone resorting to attacking people for their opinion's.

It's like a bloody football forum where opposing fan's are all thrown into one room and the door locked.

No, i'm not a fan of football either

Gregster · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:38

humbug said:
Again, stick to the topic Greg, don't get personal.

I wasn't detracting from the topic :confused:

I think Martini has hit it on the head. You want to see nVidia in a bad light because of your AMD bias and therefore, you are prepared to come up with anything, even the impossible when it comes to putting nVidia down. Clearly this is the case, as it is only you and gamernab (whoever that is) who seem to think that G-Sync works on any monitor and doesn't need the module.

I am out of this stupid, pointless and frankly trolling "debate".

humbug · 3 Feb 2015 at 11:54

Gregster said:
I wasn't detracting from the topic I think Martini has hit it on the head. You want to see nVidia in a bad light because of your AMD bias and therefore, you are prepared to come up with anything, even the impossible when it comes to putting nVidia down. Clearly this is the case, as it is only you and gamernab (whoever that is) who seem to think that G-Sync works on any monitor and doesn't need the module.

I am out of this stupid, pointless and frankly trolling "debate".

One last emotional rant?

You were never in the debate to begin with, that ^^^ nonsense is along the lines of your usual contributions.

Rroff · 3 Feb 2015 at 12:34

Too funny... I still wanna know whats taking AMD so long given how apparently nVidia is just taking everyone for a ride.

pgi947 · 3 Feb 2015 at 12:45

Of course they are trying to make money, Tom Petersen said as much in a gsync interview.

Something along the lines of making a margin on one technology so they can pump funds into other new and exciting technologies. All sounds reasonable to me.

Are they expected to sit still and wait for vesa, make minimal profit, throttling funding on future projects or go solo and wait for it to pay off?

andybird123 · 3 Feb 2015 at 12:51

humbug is proposing that selling products for actual money is in some way reprehensible and then accusing other people of talking nonsense, thanks for the laughs H, oh and then having a go at everyone else for "getting personal" when literally he is the first person in this thread dishing out personal comments left right and center

His usual proven wrong so play the victim rhetoric, its hilarious to watch

Nvidia make profit, spend money on more research, release new product, make profit... And so on, the alternative is make losses, slash r&d, sack people, borrow more money, change CEO, sack more people, lose another 10% market share...

Rusty0611 · 3 Feb 2015 at 12:55

Shock horror as company brings product to market earlier than competition and sells it for a premium. Shock horror as company tries to make profit for its shareholders which it is legally required to do. Why people have such hate for GPU manufacturers innovating and making money is beyond me.

It's like we're amongst the worst type of left leaning folk who despise big businesses for making money.

andybird123 · 3 Feb 2015 at 12:59

Mei said:
wow ok
my bad i should know better than listen to pcper
or maybe you have something tweaked they didnt

The only time ive had it happen is alt tabbing out of a game and back in, on a normal monitor that usually causes some black screen while the computer sorts itself out

To be fair, pcper were specifically trying to replicate the problem, so they went out of their way to force it to happen, most people on here are saying that in normal useage it happens very rarely if at all

Orangey · 3 Feb 2015 at 13:13

Rroff said:
Too funny... I still wanna know whats taking AMD so long given how apparently nVidia is just taking everyone for a ride.

"Taking"? Their end is here. AFAIK they are not making the monitors themselves? :confused:

It takes like a month just for the container ship to get here from China.

melmac · 3 Feb 2015 at 13:26

humbug said:
They should never have developed the G-Sync Module in the first place, there is a way without that cost. they way AMD are doing it.

Sorry Humbug, you are completely wrong. The reason Nvidia did it this way is because they saw Adaptive sync coming. They are on the board of directors of VESA, they would have seen the proposal by AMD to get the eDP variable rate specification made part of the Desktop display port standard.

The problem with this is that graphic cards would need a hardware controller as well as a display port 1.2 adapter. Desktop GPUs don't come with this hardware controller, its not needed. There is no requirement to have it. It's why only the latest the GPUs from AMD support adaptive sync, they were built to support it.

And I would bet everything I have that no Nvidia desktop GPU has the required hardware controller. It would have been bad buisness for Nvidia if they waited for the VESA standard to come through as adaptive sync would have been associated with AMD, So they produced their own solution. Gsync, which is a module that combines the hardware controller on the gpu with the scaler on the monitor and includes a frame buffer. And got it to the market, and now they have the Gsync name out there.

Now lets get back to the mobile parts. To use eDP on your mobile graphics card you have to adhere to the specifications. The variable refresh rate/power saving/PSR etc are all a requirement of the embedded display port standard. So your graphics hard has to support these features. That's why you don't need a Gsync module in a laptop, everything needed for variable refresh rates is already there, It's just matter of writing a driver for it.