Gaming with a keyboard and mouse isnt that great

Craterloads · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:15

Kamwah said:
You're playing for the fun factor. Not the competitive factor which is why you'll never understand a large part of the PC community especially when it comes to FPS games.

I play online all the time, and its competitive?

Or are you talking proffessional competitive gaming?

mrbios · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:18

Wait wait wait... OPs complaining about having to hold shift while pressing W? .... soooo what about on a gamepad when you're holding RB to shoot while holding another button to aim down a scope? You've held two buttons at once with one hand before....you can do it again.

Not read the rest of the thread as i'll just end up getting annoyed with the "console is best" arguers.

Kamwah · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:22

Craterloads said:
I play online all the time, and its competitive?

Or are you talking proffessional competitive gaming?

I'm referring to the large community that most FPS games have with a minority of professional players but the majority are just players who enjoy being competitive and playing in the various online leagues/ladders like Clanbase, TWL, Cevo, CAL etc

I'm not saying you can't be good with a controller but there's a reason that people who think controllers > K+M on PC are a very small minority. It's because K+M is just more natural to most people.

Not to mention K+M is one of those things in life that isn't easy but rewards practice.

orderoftheflame · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:22

mrbios said:
Not read the rest of the thread as i'll just end up getting annoyed with the "console is best" arguers.

What have the consoles got to do with anything in this thread? :confused:

Surely this thread is all about a comparison of two valid peripherals available for the PC... Why point it in the PC vs Console direction?

Craterloads · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:23

mrbios said:
Wait wait wait... OPs complaining about having to hold shift while pressing W? .... soooo what about on a gamepad when you're holding RB to shoot while holding another button to aim down a scope? You've held two buttons at once with one hand before....you can do it again.

Not read the rest of the thread as i'll just end up getting annoyed with the "console is best" arguers.

Dont think anyone is arguing "console is best" its more to do with pad vs k&m.

weyland yutani · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:24

Saying M+K blows here is like farting in a crowded lift tbh

ArnieRambo · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:25

lol just look at the XFPS for ps3/xbox..ppl who used it were raping everyone ingame..was jokes

Sefirosu · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:27

Blatant troll is blatant.

mrbios · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:30

orderoftheflame said:
What have the consoles got to do with anything in this thread?

Not read the rest of the thread

Only natural to assume when pads are mentioned that consoles are involved, thus why i didn't read the rest of the thread, but well done if it hasn't resorted to that.....goes without saying it ends up that way most of the time something like this is mentioned though.

just Scott · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:35

Craterloads said:
I disagree

I find it more than accurate; you can make micro movement on the analogue sticks. Yes there’s aim assist but you can take it off, it’s not hard.

I find having one controller instead of 2 pieces of equipment less hassle. You don’t have to take your finger off the analogue stick to shoot, frag, knife etc just when you want to jump or something and when doing said actions you’re already facing the way you want in the first place.

The who A,W,D,S are just plain annoying, rather use the left analogue stick.

Plus a major major gripe for me is no rumble features in the mouse! Its feel so bland and un-rewarding. I love the rumble when your bullets are actually hitting the target, when firing a shotgun etc, just adds satisfaction. With a mouse just feels cheap, not rewarding at all. Explosions, being hit etc all to the experience with rumble.

Furthermore the triggers also allow a degree of control that’s not available on the mouse, you can squeeze half way to slow fire etc.

Also with the analogue stick it allows for better control when moving, you can walk by just pushing up slightly or run when pushed all the way. You can’t do that on a keyboard. You have to press two buttons like shift+w to run.

Well this is where we disagree. Especially about the part where the analogue stick gives you more control. In my eyes that is completely false, and I'll show you why. Watch this video:

This video shows advanced rocket jumping in TF2. This is a skill that requires literally 1000s of hours to master. Notice how in order to do this you need to hold W, crouch and tap D very often while sometimes tapping A? That is literally impossible on an analogue stick. Being able to strafe left then right instantly (A and D) is a degree of control that is simply impossible on an analogue stick. And you're right, you can't "walk" by holding down a key lightly. But that's a non-issue since if you want to run slowly you just crouch walk. I'd never give up the ability to press a and d at the same time for the ability to walk slowly by holding in a trigger/analogue stick slightly, which is quite frankly useless.

Also in Minecraft you can double tap W to run.

Craterloads · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:41

H2F Scott said:
Well this is where we disagree. Especially about the part where the analogue stick gives you more control. In my eyes that is completely false, and I'll show you why. Watch this video:

This video shows advanced rocket jumping in TF2. This is a skill that requires literally 1000s of hours to master. Notice how in order to do this you need to hold W, crouch and tap D very often while sometimes tapping A? That is literally impossible on an analogue stick. Being able to strafe left then right instantly (A and D) is a degree of control that is simply impossible on an analogue stick.

Never said the analogue stick gives you more control, is said more than adequate control. The other stuff though does offer more control.

Cant see why that cant be done on a pad, probably be easier too

just Scott · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:45

Craterloads said:
Never said the analogue stick gives you more control, is said more than adequate control. The other stuff though does offer more control.

Cant see why that cant be done on a pad, probably be easier too

You need to hold W the whole time and tap D. Think about it. You need to have the analogue stick pointing upwards, then have it pointing right (D) at the same time. You can't do that. It can only be pointed in 1 direction at any given time.

And as someone with thousands of hours of experience in jumping, it's actually an insult to say a controller would make it easier.

Pighardia · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:46

I do agree with some of the pros of movement using a controller. For example, I was playing Splinter Cell Chaos Theory recently and swapped from kb/m to controller(didn't mind because I don't think I fired a gun once!) and found it much easier because you could control how quickly you move much more easily with a controller. When using kb/m it was harder to sneak.

I would rather use kb/m for games as it is obviously superior gameplay-wise(anyone who says it isn't is just arguing for the sake of it

), but a controller has its uses. I have no problems with switching to a controller if a game feels better that way.

atpbx · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:51

As someone who graduated from the QAOP days of gaming, I found moving to arrow keys much easier for me these days.

Kamwah · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:51

Pighardia said:
I do agree with some of the pros of movement using a controller. For example, I was playing Splinter Cell Chaos Theory recently and swapped from kb/m to controller(didn't mind because I don't think I fired a gun once!) and found it much easier because you could control how quickly you move much more easily with a controller. When using kb/m it was harder to sneak.

I would rather use kb/m for games as it is obviously superior gameplay-wise(anyone who says it isn't is just arguing for the sake of it), but a controller has its uses. I have no problems with switching to a controller if a game feels better that way.

There are a lot of games now that favor pad because of the way they were made. Spliner Cell, Assassins Creed, the Batman games etc

If you're not saying the Pad gives you more control then you accept that the K+M gives you more right? Then there's your answer and this is now just a war of opinions.

Craterloads · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:52

H2F Scott said:
You need to hold W the whole time and tap D. Think about it. You need to have the analogue stick pointing upwards, then have it pointing right (D) at the same time. You can't do that. It can only be pointed in 1 direction at any given time.

And as someone with thousands of hours of experience in jumping, it's actually an insult to say a controller would make it easier.

How about pointing the analogue stick at 1.30pm/am, see so much easier problem solved!

or just use the d-pad, you can easily press both up and right at the same time.

just Scott · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:57

Craterloads said:
How about pointing the analogue stick at 1.30pm/am, see so much easier problem solved!

or just use the d-pad, you can easily press both up and right at the same time.

Wouldn't work. You'd fail the jump instantly.

I know this for a fact because holding W and A at the same time (same thing as 1:30AM) fails the jump instantly.

D needs to be tapped.

Craterloads · 13 Jul 2012 at 15:59

H2F Scott said:
Wouldn't work. You'd fail the jump instantly.

I know this for a fact because holding W and A at the same time (same thing as 1:30AM) fails the jump instantly.

D needs to be tapped.

Then thats just a game flaw and im sure it would be reworked for the pad.

Heck you could re-assign it to a trigger surely?

just Scott · 13 Jul 2012 at 16:03

Craterloads said:
Then thats just a game flaw and im sure it would be reworked for the pad.

Heck you could re-assign it to a trigger surely?

It's not a game flaw. It's a skill that requires a lot of control. An amount of control that isn't possible on a controller. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Craterloads · 13 Jul 2012 at 16:08

H2F Scott said:
It's not a game flaw. It's a skill that requires a lot of control. An amount of control that isn't possible on a controller. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Ok like i said, re-assign D to one of the triggers?